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Old 07-20-2007, 02:10 PM
WC3V WC3V is offline
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Default 25NL: River Value with book?????????

VIllain has been tight. After 35 hands running at 14/6/1

Is this a river value shove?

Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $23.75
Hero (BB): $56.20
UTG: $27.66
CO: $28.83
BTN: $16.99

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is tight. Stats after 35 hands: 14.1/4.9/1</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
3 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?????????????
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: River Value with book?????????

Pushes....

You are worried about what, K2 and K5? Most kings probably do this, along with 34, 22, among others.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: River Value with book?????????

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Pushes....

You are worried about what, K2 and K5? Most kings probably do this, along with 34, 22, among others.

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What? what about a chronic slowplayer? You push against someone that tight and you probably fold any non boat and get called by anything that beats you.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: River Value with book?????????

Raise pre-flop, C-bet flop. Makes hand easier to play.
As played, call.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:35 PM
KJatl KJatl is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: River Value with book?????????

35 hands is not a great sample size. His AF is low but you don't know if he's the type of player that would make that river re-raise with a straight, Kx, 22, etc. A lot of times these passive players don't understand relative hand values. What might be a monster in their eyes could easily be 2nd best here. I push with a smile on my face.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: River Value with book?????????

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Raise pre-flop, C-bet flop. Makes hand easier to play.
As played, call.

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why would you raise in the BB with 55? and why would you c-bet with someone that tight with the flop being AKx??
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: River Value with book?????????

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Raise pre-flop, C-bet flop. Makes hand easier to play.
As played, call.

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why would you raise in the BB with 55? and why would you c-bet with someone that tight with the flop being AKx??

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you have a pair, which sb probably isn't holding, so you raise for value, if you pick up the pot straight away that's even better, plus it makes post flop play a lot easier AND you will scare sb with the raise, so next time he'll might not complete and just hand you his sb, which would be sweet

and when you raise pre flop, the A and K on the flop are pretty awesome bluff cards, if he calls your c-bet, you're obv done with the hand

as played, I shove river
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Old 07-20-2007, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: River Value with book?????????

shove
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:01 PM
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35 hands is not a great sample size. His AF is low but you don't know if he's the type of player that would make that river re-raise with a straight, Kx, 22, etc. A lot of times these passive players don't understand relative hand values. What might be a monster in their eyes could easily be 2nd best here. I push with a smile on my face.

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You've got it backwards. Those kinds of tight passive players don't like to get their money in unless they have a monster. You call because that kind of player is going to fold anything that you reraise and you're handing him your chips when you're behind.

pushing into rocks who 4 bet you isn't a wise plan.
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Old 07-20-2007, 07:19 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: River Value with book?????????

I shove, also raise preflop, bet flop/turn
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