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#11
07-20-2007, 03:29 AM
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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This hand is a little different given that UTG only min raised [/ QUOTE ] in my mind this is a huge difference; i tend to view our 4bet as a 3bet when the original raise was just a minraise. 
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#12
07-20-2007, 03:39 AM
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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[ QUOTE ] This hand is a little different given that UTG only min raised [/ QUOTE ] in my mind this is a huge difference; i tend to view our 4bet as a 3bet when the original raise was just a minraise. [/ QUOTE ] Depending on reads/ranges(which we in this hand have none) this may or may not be true..This is why I said earlier that I want a read before I 4 bet QQ and committ 25% of my stack PF... What ranges are you putting UTG(min raise then call) and MP(3 bet then call)on????
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#13
07-20-2007, 03:47 AM
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
i'm assuming he's not very good if he open minraises, so i think his pf range is pretty wide but given the flop action he probably hit a set (or maybe he called w/44). i'm giving mp more credit, but i see QQ being ahead of his range that raises and calls our reraise.
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#14
07-20-2007, 03:52 AM
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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i'm assuming he's not very good if he open minraises, so i think his pf range is pretty wide but given the flop action he probably hit a set (or maybe he called w/44). i'm giving mp more credit, but i see QQ being ahead of his range that raises and calls our reraise. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry I wasn't clear..I am asking in general not this hand and not taking FLOP action into account..Really just thinking about 4 betting QQ PF vs 2 unknowns...
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#15
07-20-2007, 03:56 AM
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
ah ok. against unknowns cold calling is legit but i don't think 4betting is bad. just don't fold to a shove. . .
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#16
07-20-2007, 04:09 AM
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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ah ok. against unknowns cold calling is legit but i don't think 4betting is bad. just don't fold to a shove. . . [/ QUOTE ] just don't fold to a shove. . . [/ QUOTE ] Yeah this is my big concern...I can't see folding nor can I see either villain pushing a worse hand(with perhaps the exception of AKs)...Also if I was either villain I would most likely not shove AA PF...BOTOH I would not be playing short so how I would react to a 4 bet is pretty meaningless in this discussion..
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