Harrah's New Orleans Floor Decision

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Im a shift manager in a poke room in vegas. Just to add my 2 cents.. 1st of all, if the winning player were to attack the other guy, its criminal assualt. Second of all, the only thing the house can do is call security and then gaming. The house cannot take the chips away from the player(its a gaming law.Look it up if you would like to) Another thing is this....Poker is not blackjack so I wish poker players would stop trying to compare the two. In blackjack, its house money, so yes it is theft at that point, but in in BJ verbal is not binding, so it would be a matter of the player having to reach into the bank to steal the money. Any player that is a real poker player knows to protect their hand espically becaucse of the legal classification of poker. We as poker players have much less recourse in this situation. The problem is there are probably no vocal recording devices so as fr as the law goes, its heresay. Now don't get me wrong, I would madder than hell if this happened to me, so don't think I'm against the player. i just wanted to let everyone know that from a legal standpoint, the only thing the house can do is call security and hope that gaming agents are ableto do something. You could however fight this(only against the player as the house is not liable) in small claims court, but you would spend more in laywer fees that what you would actually win. Just a thought

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Great post, and I learned something new. Very interesting with the laws concerning Poker vs BJ.

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I would take psandman's opinion over a Vegas supervisor's (unless it is one of the ones I know) on these matters.

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I would take psandman's opinion over a Vegas supervisor's (unless it is one of the ones I know) on these matters.

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I appreciate that, on the other hand, whether I am correct is pretty much irrelevantt since its on of those vegas supervisors who will be making the decision. I wish that when this sort of thing happened the casino would just detain the player and then let gaming sort it out.

In the OPS case this was in Lousiana so I have no idea what legal prtection there is there or what authorty the casino has to detain the player, but I imagine that they probably have have the authorty to detain or impound the chips or some other action pending the arrival of a regulatory or law enforcement officer.

[feelixthegreek]

It's a fairly long walk to any exit from the poker room at Harrah's. I can't believe the winning player couldn't catch up to him before he made it out.

That said, I was in there once when a player flipped out and threw another player's stack up in the air before storming off, but the victim was an older slower guy and the element of shock and bewilderment froze everyone. Plus he wasn't walking out with someone else's money.

I guess I'll be more alert when playing big pots.

[feelixthegreek]

Wooly,

Do you know if either of the players were locals/regulars?

[FatalError]

i'd say following the player and attempting to get the attention of security with the "stop, thief" line is best

if he runs he'll get tackled, if the security stops him then that you an opportunity to have security hold him while it's sorted out

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I would take psandman's opinion over a Vegas supervisor's (unless it is one of the ones I know) on these matters.

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I appreciate that, on the other hand, whether I am correct is pretty much irrelevantt since its on of those vegas supervisors who will be making the decision. I wish that when this sort of thing happened the casino would just detain the player and then let gaming sort it out.

In the OPS case this was in Lousiana so I have no idea what legal prtection there is there or what authorty the casino has to detain the player, but I imagine that they probably have have the authorty to detain or impound the chips or some other action pending the arrival of a regulatory or law enforcement officer.

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I just meant you are more knowledgeable on these issues. Personally I am inclined to say there isn't much that the casino can (or will) do.

[ubvol]

yeah, whoever said that it's hearsay is making too much of the problem. That's what's known as a party admission and/or a statment against interest. There are loads of ways to get that kind of thing into court without having a tape of the guy's voice.

I've never been to Harrah's NO, but I would imagine that yelling about the theft at most casinos would get one of the ubiquitous security officers around quick enough to stop his escape. after that, sorting it out shouldn't bee too tough, you think?

[redfisher]

Just for the Louisiana and Mississippi guys here. Who thinks that you have any legal problems whatsoever if you give the guy a beatdown and just scoop the $1200?

Will the NOPD or LA State Police even give a crap as long as the guy lives through it?

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I don't get this. Verbal declarations are binding the no-limit games I play in. I bet $1200 and the guy says, "I call." It's a call. If he then refuses to pay, which I've never seen, you call the floor, and the ruling is he has to pay--right-wrong?

If it's not right then verbal declarations should be done away with, and from now on you HAVE to actually put your money in the pot.

If the house rule is that you can just say call, raise, bet or whatever, then shouldn't they have to enforce the outcome when something like this comes up?

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I don't get this. Verbal declarations are binding the no-limit games I play in. I bet $1200 and the guy says, "I call." It's a call. If he then refuses to pay, which I've never seen, you call the floor, and the ruling is he has to pay--right-wrong?

If it's not right then verbal declarations should be done away with, and from now on you HAVE to actually put your money in the pot.

If the house rule is that you can just say call, raise, bet or whatever, then shouldn't they have to enforce the outcome when something like this comes up?

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They have no mechanism for enforcing it. What would you have them do? Hit the guy over the head and take his chips? What about that guy that didn't say "call" and wants to leave rather than play in a less than honest game? I would suggest that players insist on the chips being put into the pot.