middle pair + flush draw, shove ?

#1 07-19-2007, 04:38 AM

pahud stats have not poped up for villain yet. But he seemed kind of loose preflop, and passive postflop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($102.20)
SB ($99)
BB ($90.90)
UTG ($144.05)
Hero ($132.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, BB calls $4, UTG folds.

Flop: ($11.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $20, BB raises to $35, Hero raises to $127.45, BB calls $50.90 (All-In).

Turn: ($183.30) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($183.30) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $183.30

FishSticks · #2 07-19-2007, 05:38 AM

Once villain bet/3bets the flop I would put your fold equity at zero. So, no, going all in with no fold equity with the worst of it isn't ideal.

I don't mind the flop raise at all, I'd call it standard in fact, but once he min3bets he's saying "hee haw I have aces up or better hee haw!" - sooo, just call the 3bet and likely fold to a big turn bet on a brick.

Instatilt · #3 07-19-2007, 05:42 AM

When a passive player leads out like that on a dry Ac Xc Xx board he is not folding very often. When he rr you again he is never folding. I would just call the flop lead and raise turn if I improve.

Genz · #4 07-19-2007, 05:46 AM

I like raising donk bets on A hi flops. When he reraises you, you should take the direct odds and try to outdraw him though. Your 2p/trips outs could be dead already easily and if he is weakish postflop, this 3bet is a huge deal for him even if it's only a minraise in your eyes. 66:15 is an easy call and then I'd let it go on this turn to a big bet.

#5 07-19-2007, 05:58 AM

Yeah, I should have just called being a dog to 2pair, set.

Thanks for replies

Instatilt · #6 07-19-2007, 05:59 AM

um, I dont get why you raise the flop here? what hand is he leading out with on a dry A high flop that he is folding to a raise? Or are you raising for value?

EDIT: question not directed at OP.

JackAll · #7 07-19-2007, 06:13 AM

Just call his 3-bet.

The White Rabbit · #8 07-19-2007, 06:13 AM

given that he's only 51 left after his 3-bet, shoving is by no means terrible.

Whether you're "ahead" or "behind" or whatever useless terms you'd like to use is completely irrelevant, what matters is your equity and your odds. Clear +EV shove.

cs3 · #9 07-19-2007, 06:16 AM

raising flop the first time around is standard/good, but just call his 3bet.

if turn blanks fold to a pot sized bet, call if he makes a little downie bet.
obv push if you hit

whiterabbit-
you know this, but calling and pushing are both +EV. in this case i think calling has a higher EV than pushing because villain is giving us a chance to save a little $$ the times we miss.

Genz · #10 07-19-2007, 07:38 AM

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um, I dont get why you raise the flop here? what hand is he leading out with on a dry A high flop that he is folding to a raise? Or are you raising for value?

EDIT: question not directed at OP.

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People donk all kinds of hands into you when an A flops because they hope you have KK and fold. This is the only time they don't put you on AK btw., because that wouldn't be so good for them...