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07-18-2007, 04:07 PM
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QJo BB flops OESD, turn gives TPGK
SB: VPIP ~80 and low aggression numbers (very loose-passive)
MP1 & MP2: no special reads/info Party Poker 0.15/0.30 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls. Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls, Hero calls. Turn: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls. River: (10 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds. Final Pot: 13 BB I feel I might have been too passive. How many of you raise this turn? 
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#4
07-18-2007, 04:24 PM
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Re: QJo BB flops OESD, turn gives TPGK
With an OESD and two overs, I want to raise the flop, not the turn.
With a LPP waking up on the turn, TPGK probably isn't good. I just call there rather than charging myself to draw, especially if MP1 has an overpair/set and wants to make it get really expensive.
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#5
07-18-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: QJo BB flops OESD, turn gives TPGK
I guess you have about 40% chance that the nut str8 comes on the river, with 4 players you have far enough pot equity to raise. You don't have that anymore on the turn and your top pair looks vulnerable. I would call it down.
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#6
07-18-2007, 04:52 PM
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Re: QJo BB flops OESD, turn gives TPGK
I think I would lead the flop, but, failing that, certainly checkraise for value.
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#9
07-18-2007, 05:03 PM
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Re: QJo BB flops OESD, turn gives TPGK
From FineStyle:
[ QUOTE ] I guess you have about 40% chance that the nut str8 comes on the river [/ QUOTE ] I presume you mean flop->river, i.e. when you're deciding what to do on the flop, the chance it will hit on the turn or river. You're wrong. Figure it out, and show your work. From teampursuit: [ QUOTE ] I think I would lead the flop [/ QUOTE ] Why in the name of Shania would you do that? The PFR is on your immediate left. You bet, he raises, the other two fold, and your drawing odds are shot to hell. otoh, check, let him bet, see what happens...if one or the other of the other two call you can raise for value, if neither of them call you can call knowing you're priced in to draw.
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#10
07-19-2007, 03:58 AM
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Re: QJo BB flops OESD, turn gives TPGK
[ QUOTE ]
From FineStyle: [ QUOTE ] I guess you have about 40% chance that the nut str8 comes on the river [/ QUOTE ] I presume you mean flop->river, i.e. when you're deciding what to do on the flop, the chance it will hit on the turn or river. You're wrong. Figure it out, and show your work. [/ QUOTE ] O.K.. I have 8 outs, any 8 or K on the flop. 8 outs of 47 unseen cards = 1:4.8 or 20,5%. On the turn I may discount the hearts, but I believe any FD should be out here. With a discount its 6 out out of 46 = 1:6.6 or 15%, with all 8 outs it 1:4.7 or 21%. So overall its 35 or 40%. If you fear that pf raiser will reraise, o.k. But don't we have even enough odds to call that? Assuming 2 will call that, than there will be 14 SB in the pot (exluding your bets, thats enough for a total bet of 3 SB on the flop. Please correct me if I'm totally wrong here.
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