$16 - AK, when to c-bet vs donks?

IFoldPktOnes · #1 07-18-2007, 02:49 AM

How do you play these flops? Which do you c-bet, and how much? Assume villains are all t30 donks. Any other comments, or general advice also welcome.

1) PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP2 (t1610)
CO (t1335)
Hero (t1260)
SB (t1380)
BB (t1225)
UTG (t2080)
UTG+1 (t2490)
MP1 (t2120)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t90, 4 folds, Hero raises to t240, 2 folds, UTG calls t150.

Flop: (t525) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero?

Turn: (t525) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero? (If you check the flop what do you do here?)

2) PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed)

Hero (t1540)
SB (t1410)
BB (t1210)
UTG (t1590)
UTG+1 (t1600)
MP1 (t1895)
MP2 (t1330)
MP3 (t1390)
CO (t1535)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 4 folds, Hero raises to t150, SB calls t135, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t120.

Flop: (t480) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero?

3) PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed)

Button (t1455)
SB (t1580)
BB (t1770)
UTG (t1300)
UTG+1 (t670)
MP1 (t2065)
MP2 (t760)
MP3 (t2585)
Hero (t1315)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises to t120, Button calls t120, 2 folds.

Flop: (t285) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero?

Semtex · #2 07-18-2007, 03:13 AM

Hand 1 you have to c-bet the way you played it PF. Hand 2 I'd check w/2 opponents. Hand 3 looks like a toss up, but I'd probably check since you don't have any spades.

CheeseMoney · #3 07-18-2007, 03:43 AM

*grunch*
Hand 1 i flat call from button, we don't need to win it preflop as we can take it down in position. I just check behind on that scary board. Hand 2, you have to c-bet about 2/3 pot. Hand 3 check/fold.

IFoldPktOnes · #4 07-18-2007, 04:00 AM

It's probably worth mentioning Villain in hand 1 is a confirmed idiot and that his UTG raise does not necessarily represent much strength.

RexWoo · #5 07-18-2007, 04:11 AM

1) I just call preflop.
As played, c-bet the flop.
As played check the turn behind, you now have quite a few outs to the nuts

2) c-bet t300ish

3) check, probably call a moderate bet / fold to a large one

typically · #6 07-18-2007, 04:33 AM

This is a good thread for me; I'm guessing AK early is the cause of a few leaks in my game... here's my responses, feel free to criticize:

1. Really call pf? Could the rationale for this be elaborated upon? Apart from the read, I c-bet the flop about 1/2 pot. Check the turn for what Rex said.
2. I like sometimes checking and sometimes raising, depending on the players and my image.
3. I usually raise 1/2 pot here as the PFR and button will often call this with low pockets or AT+.. is this a leak?

Semtex · #7 07-18-2007, 04:46 AM

you're calling preflop in hand one because this isn't cash and reraising PF is committing you to the hand unnecessarily against donks with a drawing hand.