Stars $4/180 - 3rd hand AA - Page 6

MJBuddy · #51 07-17-2007, 01:03 PM

Sigh: Let me explain, for whims:

If you raise AA to 200, you need to raise ALL hands to 200, because doing anything else GIVES YOUR HAND AWAY. If you're giving your hand away with raises, you're leaking all over the place against good players. There's still a lot of money to be made from players who can like...breathe out there.

Anyway, if you start standard raising 10xBB and someone actually has a hand behind you, YOU just lost a much larger stack. Let's say you get minraised, but you have JJ. Flop comes KQ4 and you now have a pot worth 800 and your stack is 1100.

Yes it pays more for you...if you hit. I don't want to raise big except to isolate; otherwise my hand being hidden is far FAR more important.

Dunkman · #52 07-17-2007, 01:05 PM

Most likely you haven't seen the opponents before, so when you raise to 200 they won't have enough info to know what that means. That being said, raising to 200 is retarded. It's a 4/180, these guys aren't gonna need a set to continue against you, any TPNK hand will gladly stack off to you postflop, give them a chance to.

niceh4nd · #53 07-17-2007, 01:35 PM

raise to 200 is perfect for AA imo in the 4.40s

mflip · #54 07-17-2007, 02:10 PM

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raise to 200 is perfect for AA imo in the 4.40s

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STFU

8Adam8 · #55 07-17-2007, 03:54 PM

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open shove pf obv

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Easy17 · #56 07-17-2007, 04:25 PM

im amazed at how many pple think preflop raise of 80 (4xBB first level) in a 4/180 is fine for AA.

The result you see in this hand is exactly what you will get 80% of the time. Those of you saying that the result (4-6 callers) is unexpected, unfortunate, etc obv have not played these. These people will call preflop raise of 60-100 with any 2, crap like 34 off, hoping to flop 2 pair/draw and stack the idiot with the big hand and weak raise.

AA is the best hand preflop, but when you get 4 or 5 pple in the pot, you just lost before you even see the flop. the chance that someone will flop 2 pair or a draw is pretty good, and in a 4/180 first level, no one is folding anything pretty much postflop, so you will have 3-4 pple seeing all 5 cards with you.

If you are deep into the 180, with blinds at 150+ then sure, 4x BB is fine. But not first or even second level.

Open shove is fine. youll be surprised at what % of the time you will get at least one caller to open shove here. A nice raise is best, 150-200. you will get 1-2 callers at that level and prolly be best post flop. I would rather have everyone fold to my 150-200 raise and pick up 30 chips with AA than see a flop with AA vs 5 pple, with a 32% chance to win.

mflip · #57 07-17-2007, 04:27 PM

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im amazed at how many pple think preflop raise of 80 (4xBB first level) in a 4/180 is fine for AA.

The result you see in this hand is exactly what you will get 80% of the time. Those of you saying that the result (4-6 callers) is unexpected, unfortunate, etc obv have not played these. These people will call preflop raise of 60-100 with any 2, crap like 34 off, hoping to flop 2 pair/draw and stack the idiot with the big hand and weak raise.

AA is the best hand preflop, but when you get 4 or 5 pple in the pot, you just lost before you even see the flop. the chance that someone will flop 2 pair or a draw is pretty good, and in a 4/180 first level, no one is folding anything pretty much postflop, so you will have 3-4 pple seeing all 5 cards with you.

If you are deep into the 180, with blinds at 150+ then sure, 4x BB is fine. But not first or even second level.

Open shove is fine. youll be surprised at what % of the time you will get at least one caller to open shove here. A nice raise is best, 150-200. you will get 1-2 callers at that level and prolly be best post flop. I would rather have everyone fold to my 150-200 raise and pick up 30 chips with AA than see a flop with AA vs 5 pple, with a 32% chance to win.

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And I'm amazed that you could possibly think this is best. And yes, I play 4/180's.

BlueEcho · #58 07-17-2007, 05:47 PM

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I would rather have everyone fold to my 150-200 raise and pick up 30 chips with AA than see a flop with AA vs 5 pple, with a 32% chance to win.

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Horrible just [censored] horrible

edit: This might be the first time i've ever had a word censored on this forum.

JoeyJoJo Shabadu · #59 07-18-2007, 07:25 PM

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raise to 200 is perfect for AA imo in the 4.40s

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STFU

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Just thought this has was perfect for this thread. I can tell you this much... 140 isn't near enough to fold anyone...maybe rethinking 4/180s is required for some.

4/180.. 11th hand... note the number of calls vs folds.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t1680)
CO (t1420)
Button (t2540)
Hero (t1600)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t3410)
UTG+1 (t2630)
MP1 (t2520)
MP2 (t1200)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, 1 fold, CO calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t140, 1 fold, UTG calls t120, UTG+1 calls t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Flop: (t620) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t440, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t2490, MP1 folds, Hero calls t1020 (All-In).

Turn: (t4570) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4570) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3540

BlueEcho · #60 07-18-2007, 07:34 PM

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raise to 200 is perfect for AA imo in the 4.40s

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STFU

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Just thought this has was perfect for this thread. I can tell you this much... 140 isn't near enough to fold anyone...maybe rethinking 4/180s is required for some.

4/180.. 11th hand... note the number of calls vs folds.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t1680)
CO (t1420)
Button (t2540)
Hero (t1600)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t3410)
UTG+1 (t2630)
MP1 (t2520)
MP2 (t1200)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, 1 fold, CO calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t140, 1 fold, UTG calls t120, UTG+1 calls t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Flop: (t620) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t440, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t2490, MP1 folds, Hero calls t1020 (All-In).

Turn: (t4570) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4570) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3540

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No! The raise here should be 3x or 4x + 1 for every limper. I'm counting 5 limpers making the correct raise 160-180. 4x is questionable but at 10/20 it's acceptable.

Even if you think all of these people call the 160-180 anyway this is still not a "normal" example.