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Old 07-17-2007, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: 100NL Hand Against 4_2_it Turn Decision

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Only hands you can really rep with a bet (to fold out 77-QQ) are 22/55. There aren't really very many Kx hands that you'll cold call with pf, maybe some KJs type hands but I don't think he'd buy you having a K.

Anyway I doubt he bluffs the river with UI AQo because you're hand is face and you'll be looking to catch a bluff.

So I think you have two choices.

1. Bet to protect against overs which won't put any more money in the pot unless they improve to beat you.

2. Check behind and fold to a bet on the river.

What do you think?

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Actually it makes more sense he has a Kx type hand since opponent is nitty. He would be more likely to call than 3bet with KQs/KJs/K10s.

I think check is standard against unknown but if you have reads, make some moves.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: 100NL Hand Against 4_2_it Turn Decision

sh outlined this pretty nicely but I typically bet.

The reason being- yes, you can check for PC sometimes. but he's not likely to bet the river as a bluff (well I guess sometimes, but once you check the turn he should realize your probably checking for pc and calling most rivers), there are still decent amt of not so great cards, and you might fold out some better hands (ie. 88 or whatever).

in my short experience with him, he's nitty. and you can probably get bettter hands to fold. so i dont mind betting for protection/bluff.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: 100NL Hand Against 4_2_it Turn Decision

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sh outlined this pretty nicely but I typically bet.

The reason being- yes, you can check for PC sometimes. but he's not likely to bet the river as a bluff (well I guess sometimes, but once you check the turn he should realize your probably checking for pc and calling most rivers), there are still decent amt of not so great cards, and you might fold out some better hands (ie. 88 or whatever).

in my short experience with him, he's nitty. and you can probably get bettter hands to fold. so i dont mind betting for protection/bluff.

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I understand that not a lot of kings are likely to be in my cold calling range preflop. However it's still likely for me to be sitting here on something like KQs or KJs in his mind.

However, trying to rep a card that gets paired on the turn is usually lame. I think if the turn was safe he would c/f QQ or JJ quite a bit but the second K makes me skittish.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: 100NL Hand Against 4_2_it Turn Decision

ya i agree he's not folding something as srong as JJ/QQ, but i think border line hands like 77/88/99 have to be considered in his folding range.

also, if your checking for pc, yeah thats fine, but its unlikely he's going to be putting any more $ in without a pair so i'd rather bet for protection and not put another cent in than check and fold a river (though thats what i would do if i did check).

so, i think bet/not put another cent in > check/fold river if he bets or check if he checks.
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Old 07-17-2007, 03:11 PM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Default Re: 100NL Hand Against 4_2_it Turn Decision

I don't really like floating this flop unless he cbets a lot and gives up. In which case you beat enough air that check/check would be better than bet. If you think about it bluffing only folds 3 better hands likely (77-99) and maybe TT. I would definitely call a bet with JJ+ from you.

However if he's raising hands like AJ/AQ/AT QJ etc. they all missed, so your ahead of those hands. I guess the advantage is the equity you gain from making those hands fold (cause they will suck out on you 12% of the time). But I highly doubt that is worth the extra money you have to put in to make him fold.
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