Anyone else like this play? or am I seeing this wrong

[ManChild]

i like people who use converters and properly title their posts

[ParadiceCity]

sorry, ill do it next time

[ManChild]

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sorry, ill do it next time

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lol [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't know the math, but this I believe is a call if you think SB is really that dumb

[sippin_criss]

I'd get it in here, shorty has to beat both of you to keep going. I'd just take 3rd and run. I don't see why it's barf, Slim can you explain?

[Slim Pickens]

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I'd get it in here, shorty has to beat both of you to keep going. I'd just take 3rd and run. I don't see why it's barf, Slim can you explain?

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Let's make the hand look like this for simplicity.

blinds/antes: 200/400/25
UTG (t3455)
Button (t945)
SB (t7585)
Hero (t1515)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">UTG folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t920</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t1515</font>, Hero ???

Folding gives two possible outcomes.
SB wins:(3430,0,8980,1090) -- (0.3289,0,0.4281,0.2430
Button wins: (3430,2340,8035,1090) -- (0.2812,0.2281,0.3701,0.1197)

Make SB a 60/40 favorite and you get: 0.60*0.2430+0.40*0.1197=0.1937 for folding

Calling give four possible outcomes.
SB wins everything:(3430,0,10070,0*) --
(0.3508,0,0.4492,0.2000)
You win everything:(3430,0,6070,4000) --
(0.3077,0,0.3691,0.3232)
Button wins main, you win side: (3430,2860,6070,1140) --
(0.2760,0.2503,0.3556,0.1180)
Button wins main, SB gets side: (3430,2860,7210,0) --
(0.3122,0.2951,0.3928,0)

With you at 30% to scoop as well as SB at 30% to win the main, and you as a 55/45 underdog in in the side pot, I get:

0.40*0.2 + 0.30*0.3232 + 0.30*(0.45*0.1180+0.55*0) = 0.1929 for calling

If SB is really an idiot (EDIT: or good) and A9s stacks up better against his range, I can see how this swings in favor of a call. I just think most players at that buy-in don't understand why it's really profitable to isolate there with even marginal hands. If he's isolating with a lot, then by all means play the proper counter-strategy for that, which is probably a call.

[ParadiceCity]

where did you get these numbers and what do they mean? not an insult im just dumb

[Shillx]

Nice hand. Worst case scenario you have like 33% equity and the big stack doesn't figure to be a 3:2 favorite if you fold. He is probably dog and you probably have &gt; 35% equity if you call. This is a really clear call.

[Slim Pickens]

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where did you get these numbers and what do they mean? not an insult im just dumb

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(chip stacks) -- (ICM-calculated prize pool equity)

I'm just guessing at the %'s each hand wins.

[Slim Pickens]

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Nice hand. Worst case scenario you have like 33% equity and the big stack doesn't figure to be a 3:2 favorite if you fold. He is probably dog and you probably have &gt; 35% equity if you call. This is a really clear call.

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I really don't like your hand ranges here. SB might be playing a wide range if he's either really good or really bad, but I'm guessing he's more in the middle where he's just looking at his two cards and they look pretty.