Very Hard or Very Easy Spot?

LastLife · #1 07-16-2007, 04:34 AM

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($43.15)
SB ($40.45)
Hero ($27.05)
UTG ($30)
MP ($40.75)
CO ($15.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1, UTG folds, CO calls $1.

Turn: ($4) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $3.5, Hero raises to $10, CO raises to $13.9 (All-In), SB raises to $42.7 (All-In), Hero ???

Waingro · #2 07-16-2007, 04:43 AM

I think the flop is a real easy fold.

LastLife · #3 07-16-2007, 04:52 AM

getting 2-1 for a flush draw?

K䲰䮥n · #4 07-16-2007, 05:05 AM

I'd rather raise this flop if I'm going to play this hand.

Waingro · #5 07-16-2007, 08:35 AM

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getting 2-1 for a flush draw?

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1. There are players acting behind you. You are not going to see a turn every time.
2. 5-way, odds are that villain is going to put you on a fd when you call = no implied odds.
3. 5-way, it is more likely there is a bigger fd out there.
4. You are not going to win every time you hit. Your opponents will often have re-draws.

All in all I think getting 2-1 on your money for your fd is lighting money on fire, unless you know that villain is a pay off wizard or tilting or something. Generally calling without odds on non-nut draws is not a winning strategy.

Waingro · #6 07-16-2007, 08:37 AM

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I'd rather raise this flop if I'm going to play this hand.

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I agree

Fold>raise>call

paulnic · #7 07-16-2007, 08:49 AM

i think this is a fold on the turn. after a raise reraise and a shove i very much doubt your 4 high flush is ahead... also as said im not sure the call on the flop is the best... yes u may get the correct odds if both players behind u call but what if one of them raises??? i fold the flop here unless im against some very passive callling station type players

Gullanian · #8 07-16-2007, 08:51 AM

EASY flop call. If someone behind you raises you get to see if anyone calls before you commit. I disagree with raising flop, it's completely unnecessary. Anyway I just call this on the turn.