A Surprise at the Venetian !

[VegasTommy]

TT,

The daily drop is better than this same time one year ago. The DeepStack events were a huge success for the Venetian. I still cannot fathom why you have a hard time saying anything nice about this place. You get your information from a manager from another room? Didnt you ban some people for spreading information about the Palms. Do you know what's funny... I talked to a dealer from the Palms and he said that all the information was accurate.. yet you berated the poster and banned him for several days.

I just do not get you or your ego.

Tommy

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TT,

The daily drop is better than this same time one year ago. The DeepStack events were a huge success for the Venetian. I still cannot fathom why you have a hard time saying anything nice about this place. You get your information from a manager from another room? Didnt you ban some people for spreading information about the Palms. Do you know what's funny... I talked to a dealer from the Palms and he said that all the information was accurate.. yet you berated the poster and banned him for several days.

I just do not get you or your ego.

Tommy

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Tommy:

1) What part of the word gossip don't you understand? Its <u>unsubstantiated</u> rumor from a manager of a poker room, I said I was looking to see if it could be verified. Thank you for debunking the rumor, there was no need for having a bad attitude about it however.

2) The user was banned because he wouldn't disclose his alleged source, claim it was a rumor he was trying to prove, or withdraw the statement after I spoke with the day shift manager who denied the claim. In fact the manager said that they had no control over an employee's actions how they check, bet, call or check-raise on or off the clock since they are not playing with monies supplied to them by the house. At the time it sounded like the definitive answer, the manager denies the claim and asks me to remove the post - which I would not do but I assured him I would deal with the user who made the claim. After the user was banned with a note that he can come back after contacting us RR let me know that he could confirm the user's claims, that the manager was protecting the room and lied to me about the policy. A "friend of 2+2" confirmed it all in private, we immediately reinstated the user with a message apologizing and clearing everything up (I don't think he has posted since that time, I could be wrong - I don't know if he ever got our message, the guy had something like a total of 5 posts or less). Last I heard employees are no longer allowed to play on-or-off the clock at Palms, most likely the result of that thread and my talk with the manager - a horrible turn of events, and the reason why the topic was dropped like a rock. Enough time has passed that I hope its ok revisiting it without affecting anyone over there, we couldn't disclose all of that at the time to protect our "friends".

On a slightly related note this is the Nevada state law regarding shills. The staff at Palms were not shills since they were playing with their own money (this was clearly discussed by myself and the manager, he at first thought I was discussing shills until it was clarified in the conversation), I could not find a statute that discusses on-or-off duty employees playing with their own funds but it seems that someone in management has confused the meaning of this statute.
23.065 Restrictions on use of shills and proposition players.
1. Shills may not check and raise or play in any manner between themselves or in collusion
with others to the disadvantage of other players within the game.
2. Each establishment employing shills or proposition players shall identify such shills or
proposition players upon request and shall display a sign clearly legible from each table which
states:
“Nevada gaming regulations allow the use of shills and proposition players. Shills and
proposition players shall be identified by management upon request.”
3. Each licensee shall maintain, in a manner as in the case of all other employees,
employment records on each individual engaged as a shill or proposition player; additionally, a
list of all shills and proposition players shall be maintained at the card room bank and shall be
readily available for inspection.
4. Persons who participate in the management or supervision of games subject to this
regulation shall be permitted to act as a shill or proposition player in the establishment where
employed if supervision is otherwise provided.
5. All advances to and winnings of a shill shall be utilized only for wagering in card games or
turned into the card room bank at the conclusion of play.
6. No more than two proposition players may play in a card game. No more than a
combination of four shills and proposition players may play in a card game.
7. Shills may only wager chips or coins.
(Adopted: 2/79.)

I also found this very poorly worded statute within the same document (http://gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs/reg23.pdf). As written a lawyer could argue that this means any card game dealer cannot play in their employer's casino in the game they are employed to deal - for example blackjack dealers cannot play blackjack and poker dealers cannot play poker, but its obviopus that was not the intent or the interpitation of the law:
23.070 Restrictions on other players.
1. Stakes players shall not be utilized by any licensee.
2. No dealer may wager in any game in which he is dealing.
(Adopted: 1/74. Amended: 2/79.)

3) In the past you were spamming Venetian stuff and denying that you worked for the company. I think we can all extrapolate from your last post that the truth is out. I have known your an employee there since you first started posting about the Venetian thanks to a little bird who whispered in my ear, its a disservice to the 2+2 community to pretend your impartial when discussing Venetian management issues. I am glad you finally admitted it, even if you didn't outright state so.

4) If you haven't figured it out yet I want the V to do well, I like the room - its the management that is bad. The fact that the poker room does so poorly in what should be one of the busiest locations on the strip is really sad to see - but its not too late, hopefully with the upcoming Palazzo launch we will start to see changes. This is not just my opinion but i don't want to put words in someone else's mouth - I am sure you can figure this out. By the way, I actually play at the V often enough. I played mixed games at the V twice this month alone - if you think I cannot say anything nice about the V then your mistaken, but I will always point out huge errors in management philosophy there or any major room when its called for, there is no sugar coating.

5) So everyone knows why you "dont get me or my ego", its because you have been temp banned by both myself and RR, separately, more than once. Lets not pretend its something that its not, you have been on thin ice for a long time. Quit using the forum as your personal axe to grind, instead look at yourself and your own actions and you will come to terms with why we have had to be so harsh with you in the past. I hope your future here is much brighter than it has been to date.