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#11
07-15-2007, 04:06 AM
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Re: NL25: AQ TPGK + Nut FD pushing on flop
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[ QUOTE ] PF raise is a little big [/ QUOTE ] Not really. It's pot sized +$.10. OOP with this hand that's quite reasonable. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't mean it was bad; I just meant it as, "you're betting a bit more than the pot...and that's fine." 
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#12
07-15-2007, 09:43 AM
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Re: NL25: AQ TPGK + Nut FD pushing on flop
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[ QUOTE ] You see this is what i dont get. We have close to 0 FE so how is shoving the optimal play here. Yes its +EV but its not optimal, right? [/ QUOTE ] Do we really need FE here? I prefer the flop shove because a turn spade might scare him off a hand like AJ/AT that will call the flop shove. I don't really see why this isn't optimal. This is pretty much the dream flop with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] I actually think betting this flop is not smart. You're going to fold out most hands that you beat and get called by every hand that beats you. After all, this guy could easily have a decent pair and the A is a scare card. He's definitely not calling a decent bet on the flop. I would much rather c/c or c/r this flop. I'd probably c/c about 2/3 of the time and c/r the other 1/3. But basically I don't think betting this flop aggressively is a great idea.
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#13
07-15-2007, 09:45 AM
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Re: NL25: AQ TPGK + Nut FD pushing on flop
By the way, as played I think the shove is terrible because it does actually give him a chance to get away from AJ or AT. I would call the flop raise and c/c or c/r the turn. There's zero reason here to give him any chance to get away from a worse hand if we're committing our stack here anyway.
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#15
07-15-2007, 10:18 AM
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Re: NL25: AQ TPGK + Nut FD pushing on flop
Pushing here is fine. If you don't push, you're at the turn with $14.85 and a pot of $22 and you're committed anyways. The push is purely for value- you have no FE against anything that beats you at a $25.
Arguement for a call and c/r is to get value from AJ/AT, but if a spade falls on the turn they might just give up, or check through the turn and maybe fold river, or worse yet a non-spade J/T falls on the river. Can see argument for call and get it in on turn, but I think you might as well just push the flop.
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