5/10 at venetian- river bluff

[olof86]

3betting A2 and checking flop? just try to represent something big to start with

[JayKon]

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Some older guy makes it $40 from middle position. I get A2 on the button and make it $120. sb calls(he's only been at the table for a little bit, and the only hand he's played, he ended up pushing and wasn't called. He's deep with about $4k. I have like $2k.) old guy folds. HU to flop.

flop: KT3

He checks, and I check behind.

turn: J

He checks, and I bet $150. He calls.

River is a blank. He checks and I fire $300.

Thoughts?

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This story is inconsistant with everything but KK & TT, which is clearly a small fraction of your range. Unless you're against an idiot, or a weak-tight (and what you describe doesn't sound like either), save your money.

[Big_Jim]

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bet the flop

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your reasoning?

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most hands miss most flops


since you checked the flop, I'd just try to get to showdown.

[jlocdog]

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bet the flop

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your reasoning?

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most hands miss most flops

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Too add....this flop is heavily in your range of holdings.


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since you checked the flop, I'd just try to get to showdown.

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yep

[snowbank]

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bet the flop

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your reasoning?

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most hands miss most flops


since you checked the flop, I'd just try to get to showdown.

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jim,

he cold called from sb. so I'm assuming a decent pair here. if i bet flop i'm getting called pretty much every time here. do you disagree?

[Irish Mafia]

I get called every single time I take this line.

[Irish Mafia]

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he cold called from sb. so I'm assuming a decent pair here. if i bet flop i'm getting called pretty much every time here. do you disagree?

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If you guys are over 200bbs deep, he could easily cold call with something like 66. More of a read on villain would help - but I wouldn't necessarily limit his range to JJ+.

Either way, if you were intent on bluffing, you should to start on the flop.

Also, there's roughly 300 in the pot - I think you have to bet more than 150. 200 at least.

[Big_Jim]

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if i bet flop i'm getting called pretty much every time here.

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Not as often as I think you get called on the turn.

[gaming_mouse]

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since you checked the flop, I'd just try to get to showdown.

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Jim,

Can you explain this? What hands in villain's range do you we have sd value against?

[snowbank]

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if i bet flop i'm getting called pretty much every time here.

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Not as often as I think you get called on the turn.

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i totally agree, which is why i took the line. he's not checking 2 streets with a set, and if he is he's check raising turn. knowing this- it will set up river bluff for me. by betting flop in this situation I feel I'm basically handing him the pot a lot of times unless I 3 out him. thoughts on this?