A possible sittuation to fold aa pf

[ev_slave]

People do enjoy getting creative with how to fold Aces. I guess it's human nature to love ridiculously painful scenarios - like watching a car-wreck and being unable to look away.

The only one I've heard that sounds reasonable is if you're middle/slightly lower part of the pack, on the bubble, and everyone gets the same payout. Example, if 11 remain, the top 10 win trips to the WSOP, you're 7th in chips with 13 BB, and last place (11th) has 3 BB left. Something like that anyway.

[Bad Beat Maker]

This same question seems to pop up every 2 months or so. ><

*Shoots self*

[Dru]

The only way I would fold AA in that spot in a tourney is if im in the top 4 in chips, and someone ahead of me in chips has entered the pot for a reraise, and maybe I wouldnt want to play a huge pot when I can coast to 4th or 5th. But even then, I'm not sure. I guess im not good enough of a tourney player to fold AA. Is this why I can't seem to win one? =p

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

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The only way I would fold AA in that spot in a tourney is if im in the top 4 in chips, and someone ahead of me in chips has entered the pot for a reraise, and maybe I wouldnt want to play a huge pot when I can coast to 4th or 5th. But even then, I'm not sure. I guess im not good enough of a tourney player to fold AA. Is this why I can't seem to win one? =p

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If you ever fold AA in the scenario you propose, you should never play poker again.

[Covert Ops...]

You'd have to beat me over the head and pry the cards from my cold dead hands to get me to lay down AA PF

[NateAvenson]

I have folded AA PF.

Here is the scenario:
Live Satelite to $2500 buy-in. $55 buyin/61 players.
Payouts:
1st: $2500 seat
2nd: $550
3rd: Nothing

3 players remain

Button: $70,000
SB: %90,000
Hero: $80,000

Blinds $2000/$4000 No Ante

Button: Moves All-in
SB: Calls
Hero: Folds

It took me about 3 mins or so to make the decision. I'm glad I folded, but not sure if it was right or not.

Button shows 10 10, SB shows AKs.
Board comes 10-J-x-x-Q

I bust literally on the next hand, my KK v. his QQ all-in preflop. He flops 4 to the flush and catches on the river.

So, was the AA fold correct? It worked out obv...but?

[saeute]

its almost winner takes it, so I would have called.

Your equity is about 60%*2500$ = 1800$. To make the calculation simpler I assumed you would win it if your Aces held up.
Folding: 1/3*2000+550 = 1200$. Here the same: If you fold you will most likely play heads up with a 2:1 chip disadvantage.

Those calculations aren't precise, but the result should be clear.

[Iwineverypot]

No that's a horrendous fold. You have a very good chance of virtually taking down 1st right there. ATROCIOUS.

[NateAvenson]

Pokerstove shows that I was 70% to win against actual hands.
I put them both on PPs which puts me 66% to win.

I should note that I definately felt I could beat either player HU, even outstacked 2:1. I remember that the final thought that allowed me to fold was the size of the blinds. With 13 M's, I felt I still had time to outplay whichever opponent I faced. The fact that 3rd payed nothing and 2nd payed 10 buy-ins was obviously also a factor.

If the Aces hold I win the tournament 99% of the time. True. I incorrectly thought that against 2 pocket pairs I would be only 50% to win. I could flip the coin right there to win $2500 or nothing. Or I could let them battle, make the money and take a coinflip to win $2500 or $550. And HU I put myself closer to %75 than a coinflip.

Was this a tough situation for anyone, or is there %100 consensus that Aces have to call there?

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Absolutely horrendous fold. Close in chip counts with each of you having an effective M of 4.5 or less. Not only do I call with AA, I beat them both into the pot with a lot more hands than that.