NL $25 - 66 in LP -please comment on all streets

hanning · #1 07-13-2007, 09:43 AM

I am the button. Called Villains raise pre-flop mainly because of position.

Villains flop bet smelled like a continuation bet. I re-raised to see his reaction.

Turn - I bet to show continued aggression. Trying to represent a big pair or set betting to build pot.

River - villain checks again showing weakness so I push with the full house. My expectation was that villain would only call the all in with 77 or TT.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($26.25)
SB ($5.90)
BB ($23.60)
UTG ($7)
UTG+1 ($25.15)
MP1 ($20.35)
MP2 ($11.40)
CO ($20.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.25, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $2.75.

Turn: ($9.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5, UTG+1 calls $5.

River: ($19.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $16.5 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $15.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $51.75

SABR42 · #2 07-13-2007, 09:52 AM

Wow, this is terrible if you are bluffing.

They will never ever fold a T or better here.

Javanewt · #3 07-13-2007, 10:00 AM

The two on the river only helped villain. The turn bet wasn't enough to scare his JJ+, and he's not folding river with a pair higher than Ts.

I would have bet more on turn (if I were to try to bluff this) and then given up on river.

dalerobk · #4 07-13-2007, 10:00 AM

This is a major spew. I don't mind the flop raise to pick off a cb (though I would have just called and reevaluated the turn). But once he calls the flop raise, he pretty much has an overpair the vast majority of the time--not too many people call a decent flop raise with missed over cards. Once he calls the flop, shut it down. And when he calls the turn, he's definitely calling the river with his boat. I honestly think the river bet (and the turn too for that matter) can only be considred a bluff (with very little chance of success against somenone who obviously has JJ or greater). People almost never fold a boat on the river even if they suspect they're beat. In sum, you should have give up after the flop and saved yourself $20.

hanning · #5 07-13-2007, 10:01 AM

How would you have played it?

From your comment - I take it you think the all-in on the flop was a donk-bet. So what about the flop and turn and do you fold at any point?

Thanks.

Javanewt · #6 07-13-2007, 10:03 AM

I would have given up after the flop and been happy to check behind. I might have called a small river bet.

If I really thought I could bluff villain, as I wrote, I would have bet more on turn. However, after he called flop raise, he's probably not folding.

Steelerman · #7 07-13-2007, 10:18 AM

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I am the button. Called Villains raise pre-flop mainly because of position.

Villains flop bet smelled like a con Villains flop bet smelled like a continuation bet. tinuation bet. I re-raised to see his reaction.

Turn - I bet to show continued aggression. Trying to represent a big pair or set betting to build pot.

River - villain checks again showing weakness so I push with the full house. My expectation was that villain would only call the all in with 77 or TT.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($26.25)
SB ($5.90)
BB ($23.60)
UTG ($7)
UTG+1 ($25.15)
MP1 ($20.35)
MP2 ($11.40)
CO ($20.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.25, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $2.75.

Turn: ($9.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5, UTG+1 calls $5.

River: ($19.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $16.5 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $15.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $51.75

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Hanning,

What do you base that statement on? More likely you just wanted to believe that it was a c-bet. I think alot of people get carried away wanting to do this type of stuff too much at NL25 without a read that villain raises too much and c-bets everytime.

Still, your flop play is okay. But you've just gotta let it go after you take your stab. And villain will call that all-in with any T. Heck at NL25, they'll look you up alot of times with any 7 here.

mce86 · #8 07-13-2007, 11:19 AM

Flop= Fine, if you think he has air here...
Tunr= IDK....he already raised, c-bet, called a raise..he's not going to be worried about the 2...
Rier: Take the free showdown! Any better pair has you beat!

KurtSF · #9 07-13-2007, 12:08 PM

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My expectation was that villain would only call the all in with 77 or TT.

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*buzz* Thank you for playing.

Since he was EP raiser here he has a pretty narrow range, but all of the following are in his range and they all beat you: ATs, JTs, JJ, QQ, KK, AA. Oh, and they all call.

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How would you have played it?

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Read dependent. Against a good TAG I play this for set value, preflop is good and I c/f the flop. Against a LAG, or if my image is weak-tight, the flop is good also, but I check behind the turn and c/f a non-miracle river.

$0.02