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Party 22s - QQ Flop play...
This hand was imho badly played on flop that lead to turn problems.
Vilain is standard party 22 player, no reads, 11th hand. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60 (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com MP2 (t2480) MP3 (t3560) CO (t120) Button (t1860) SB (t1920) BB (t1840) Hero (t2380) UTG+1 (t2180) UTG+2 (t1840) MP1 (t1820) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t210</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, SB calls t180, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (t480) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks. Turn: (t480) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t900</font>, Hero ??? |
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Re: Party 22s - QQ Flop play...
fold.
i play the flop the same way. classic WA/WB situation. |
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Re: Party 22s - QQ Flop play...
I would bet the flop.
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Re: Party 22s - QQ Flop play...
At this point either he has A and any chips you bet are thrown to the wind or he missed and theres only one bad card for you left (K). Bet on flop tells you nothing, if he folds youve missed some potential value and if he calls the pot is bloated and you have to wonder if youre behind or if hes sticking with a PP not giving you credit for the A; or on Party, even QK. Check flop, let him wonder if youre slowrolling. Check turn, still let him wonder, while also giving him a chance to run a bluff or bet a PP when he decides you may not have an A on the river. On this flop, the only chance of you gaining chips is by letting him bet them for you, or by praying hes calling with less. Personally, i think you got a better shot at picking off a bluff- and less risky (as you found out.)
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Re: Party 22s - QQ Flop play...
i just check here and call a reasonable riverbet.
i don't think betting the flop has any merits. he is likely drawing for 2/3 outs or way way ahead. and prolly 99-JJ will start betting the river, i've seen this before... |
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Re: Party 22s - QQ Flop play...
preflop is good
flop is good turn is ok but now you got to fold. Check / calling has its merits but leading is probably better after your flop check as a lot of pairs will call. |
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Re: Party 22s - QQ Flop play...
I like Chipleader's line. Thats what i would do
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Re: Party 22s - QQ Flop play...
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This hand was imho badly played on flop that lead to turn problems. Vilain is standard party 22 player, no reads, 11th hand. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60 (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com MP2 (t2480) MP3 (t3560) CO (t120) Button (t1860) SB (t1920) BB (t1840) Hero (t2380) UTG+1 (t2180) UTG+2 (t1840) MP1 (t1820) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t210</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, SB calls t180, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (t480) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks. Turn: (t480) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t900</font>, Hero ??? [/ QUOTE ] I would bet out at that flop. 320ish. If he pushes you think for a few seconds and then fold. The fact that two As hit makes me think villain has called you with a smaller pair 99, TT, or JJ. That's why a C-bet is called for here. But like I said fold to a shove. |
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