Party 22s - QQ Flop play...

luthar · #1 07-13-2007, 01:00 AM

This hand was imho badly played on flop that lead to turn problems.

Vilain is standard party 22 player, no reads, 11th hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60 (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP2 (t2480)
MP3 (t3560)
CO (t120)
Button (t1860)
SB (t1920)
BB (t1840)
Hero (t2380)
UTG+1 (t2180)
UTG+2 (t1840)
MP1 (t1820)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t210, 7 folds, SB calls t180, 1 fold.

Flop: (t480) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t480) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t300, SB raises to t900, Hero ???

reedzhao · #2 07-13-2007, 02:06 AM

fold.

i play the flop the same way. classic WA/WB situation.

tshort · #3 07-13-2007, 04:23 AM

I would bet the flop.

ChipLeader · #4 07-13-2007, 04:38 AM

At this point either he has A and any chips you bet are thrown to the wind or he missed and theres only one bad card for you left (K). Bet on flop tells you nothing, if he folds youve missed some potential value and if he calls the pot is bloated and you have to wonder if youre behind or if hes sticking with a PP not giving you credit for the A; or on Party, even QK. Check flop, let him wonder if youre slowrolling. Check turn, still let him wonder, while also giving him a chance to run a bluff or bet a PP when he decides you may not have an A on the river. On this flop, the only chance of you gaining chips is by letting him bet them for you, or by praying hes calling with less. Personally, i think you got a better shot at picking off a bluff- and less risky (as you found out.)

sence25 · #5 07-13-2007, 05:22 AM

i just check here and call a reasonable riverbet.
i don't think betting the flop has any merits.
he is likely drawing for 2/3 outs or way way ahead.
and prolly 99-JJ will start betting the river, i've seen this before...

RexWoo · #6 07-13-2007, 05:28 AM

preflop is good

flop is good

turn is ok but now you got to fold. Check / calling has its merits but leading is probably better after your flop check as a lot of pairs will call.

JamieO · #7 07-13-2007, 06:10 AM

I like Chipleader's line. Thats what i would do

TheSug · #8 07-13-2007, 06:56 AM

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This hand was imho badly played on flop that lead to turn problems.

Vilain is standard party 22 player, no reads, 11th hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60 (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP2 (t2480)
MP3 (t3560)
CO (t120)
Button (t1860)
SB (t1920)
BB (t1840)
Hero (t2380)
UTG+1 (t2180)
UTG+2 (t1840)
MP1 (t1820)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t210, 7 folds, SB calls t180, 1 fold.

Flop: (t480) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t480) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t300, SB raises to t900, Hero ???

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I would bet out at that flop. 320ish. If he pushes you think for a few seconds and then fold.

The fact that two As hit makes me think villain has called you with a smaller pair 99, TT, or JJ. That's why a C-bet is called for here. But like I said fold to a shove.