AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)

[uppner]

lol@medium-low content, this is great stuff and very relevant to this forum.

[LearningCurve]

Thanks, Renton. This is really good stuff and it's going straight into my Favorites!

[bottomset]

can you really only have 15VPIP when you are 11% utg?

[BT2]

renton,
are you double barreling the Q44 flops both in and out of position? does this apply when you have a pocket pair yourself, or only when you have nothing? does the turn card matter at all?

[Renton]

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can you really only have 15VPIP when you are 11% utg?

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thats what pt says, but i have kinda a hard time believing it myself.

I think its just because i pass on a lot of hands when facing a raise. Its just very hard to make money in that spot. I just don't take very many flops except ones where i'm the aggressor.

Like i said in another thread, my style is a compromise between being as exploitive as possible and attempting to avoid frustrating and emotionally taxing situations when multitabling. Sure, i could take all these flops and bluff raise a lot and make thin calldowns and outplay people and blah blah, but i think keeping the stamina to play 4k hand sessions is worth forgoing being a 4ptbb/100 winner as opposed to a 3.5ptbb/100 winner.

That said, the last time i 4 tabled full ring i was like 24/20 for the 1000 hands or so i played. And i made monay.

[the_main]

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Also consider you play far fewer hands UTG so it wont contribute as much to total numbers as other positions.

[Rocco]

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I think its just because i pass on a lot of hands when facing a raise. Its just very hard to make money in that spot. I just don't take very many flops except ones where i'm the aggressor.

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Really? We seem to play a different game. I guess your profit mostly comes from raising and re-raising a lot and take it down with aggressive post-flop play, no? I like it when people raise before me, and I can choose from:

1) Cold-calling (if against loose full stacked opponents) with all pockets (set mining still rules against those who cannot lay down overpairs and TPTK) and suited connectors. With cold-callers also in, I may call with connectors, one-gappers etc, hoping to flop a monster and drag a massive pot.

2) Re-raising (against habitual PF raisers). Often, I take it down right there. If not, a c-bet usually does it. In general, people don't 3-bet enough pre-flop.

Also, 2 benefits from 1. Since I cold-call a fair share pre-flop, the gap between VPIP and PFR is quite big, and my re-rasies gets more respect than re-raises from a 18/13-player. Hence I can often put in a re-raise in position with ATC if I feel the raiser has a wide range, and get him to fold.

[bottomset]

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Also consider you play far fewer hands UTG so it wont contribute as much to total numbers as other positions.

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sure but its probably something like, so playing less UTG hands should only raise VPIP

11 11 13 14 18 22 25 sb bb

I have an 11utg 25 btn and it puts me in the 18%VPIP which is why its confusing to me how his is a fair amount lower

[Renton]

hm, idk?

maybe you defend blinds more

[myheadhurts]

I'm genuinely surprised by how little Renton and Bottomset vary their VPIP by position.

I'm certainly not criticising, by the way, just I found it strange. I'll confirm my stats when I get home, but I vary a LOT more than that.