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Old 07-12-2007, 06:01 PM
H20 H20 is offline
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Default Missed flop steal attempt

Villain 60/22/1.3 WTSD 53% over 90 hands
Im new at the table and cant recall him.

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.67SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero...

How would you go from here? Should I fold such a coordinated flop but call a less coordinated?
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: Missed flop steal attempt

i tend to call and fold turn ui for metagame if nothing else
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: Missed flop steal attempt

I don't know if this is right, but I wouldn't be stealing with a hand this weak against a player this LAGGY and SD bound. I don't think there's anything wrong with just folding to the flop, you have just 1 OC + a couple of backdoor draws and this board hits a lot of hands.
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:36 PM
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yea i always steal out of habit then get coldcalled over and over then look more closely at the stats and the guy is a station and i'm like ugh
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:59 PM
sqvirrel sqvirrel is offline
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Default Re: Missed flop steal attempt

This also might be a good spot to limp the button. It would be better if villain had a lower pfr but against this guy you need a hand to take to showdown. K7 aint it.
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:17 PM
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i tend to call and fold turn ui for metagame if nothing else

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this is a pretty bad idea.

Here's 1 sb so you can just do the same play next time.

Just fold the flop.
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:44 PM
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thehip, if you were playing hu wouldn't you peel here?

i guess the dynamic of it being 6m changes it?
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:08 PM
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thehip, if you were playing hu wouldn't you peel here?

i guess the dynamic of it being 6m changes it?

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I don't ever play HU, because I don't know wtf I'm doing 6 handed, I can't imagine me playing HU is going to be a good thing.


This is the LAG's pot, there is nothing you can do about it.

You are calling so you can turn a club, or straight draw, I just don't think it's worht it, when our plan is to fold the turn 75% of the time UI, and this guy is going to bet the turn about always when we just call the flop.
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:45 AM
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I am peeling here. You have enough to see a turn, hope to improve, and hope for a free look at the river.

btw, the fact that he is a sucky showdown bound station should make this an auotmatic steal: you have a hand with showdown value, you can use your position well, and you can value bet his ass well when you make a hand.
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Old 07-13-2007, 01:09 AM
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I am peeling here. You have enough to see a turn, hope to improve, and hope for a free look at the river.

btw, the fact that he is a sucky showdown bound station should make this an auotmatic steal: you have a hand with showdown value, you can use your position well, and you can value bet his ass well when you make a hand.

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The pot is 5sb when he bets, why are you all so intent on winning this tiny pot with no pair, no draw, and barely a draw to a draw on the turn?
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