KQo - AQ3

[Zeldark]

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preflop's close. I call the flop and turn. River is close again.

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?? You haven't been shown the turn/river.

[Buckmulligan]

zel-

well, I don't think there's a card that can fall on the turn that would keep me from check/calling. The river gets tighter though if a king or a jack fall.

[jeanbaptiste36]

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b/f flop.

As played raise/fold to 3bet and see if you can improve on turn.

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This is terrible!

This is such a standard WA/WB spot IMO

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If using OP:s range here,

KQ - You split, 6 combos
AQ - dead with 6 combos
AK - 2 outs with 6 combos
TT, JJ - ahead with 12 combos
QQ, dead with 1 combo
KK, 2 outs with 3 combos

16 cases with few or no outs.
12 cases ahead, with 2 outs for villain.
6 splits

WA/WB?

[KitCloudkicker]

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b/f flop.

As played raise/fold to 3bet and see if you can improve on turn.

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yikes. very bad.

first if the PFR is a known nit (i know a few in my live game) i instafold preflop.

if i played this hand i C/C the whole way. i might fold the river if i know that the PFR wouldnt bet it w/o the ace. at no point would i be doing any betting or raising.

[NIX]

I just call down, although I get less happy if a jack or ten show up.

I also don't like the idea of donking this flop, because you can let Villain fold cheaply if he has TT/JJ, and may get yourself in trouble if you just get called on the flop.

[JJack]

I would do the same so i would take line wa/wb even that its not wa/wb situation.

[NigelSmith]

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So we have odds 2:1
And pot odds 3,5:1
So PF call makes profit [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Sure -- if the hand stops there... But we've another 3 streets to play, and a whole lot of flops which hit us can hit a large chunk of the villain's range even harder.

[jeanbaptiste36]

Looks like WA/WB textbook example to me. Either he got 2 outs or I got 2 outs. If he got 2 outs we want to encourage him. If not, we want to loose less.

[Zeldark]

Sounds like the potential cost to the river would be a good thing to memorize.

We are risking a potential 3BB to win a potential 4.25BB. That provides us with 1.4:1 odds to call to showdown. If he doesn't fire on each street our odds go up.

1.625:1 if he doesn't fire on the river.
2.25:1 if he doesn't fire on the turn.
And the previously mentioned 3.5:1 if he doesn't fire on the flop.

Then there's also implied odds which aren't factored in.

[TarHeel100]

I'm folding this. Pot is small. The majority of hands he is raising with from early position have you beaten.