6.50 Stars...folding AK after flopping TPTK - Page 2

IFoldPktOnes · #11 07-10-2007, 02:14 AM

With no reads I dont mind just calling the reraise PF since you have position.

As played I think you have to push over the reraise on the flop. Worst case scenario vs AA,KK,TT, and any QQ,JJ,AK with a heart and you are getting pot odds (+chipEV) to push. Chuck in a few extra hands or take out TT from the range and you are well ahead of pot odds and being the 1st hand theres a good chance you're up against the biggest donk on the table.

I would probably just shove the flop the 1st time around.

EscapePlan9 · #12 07-10-2007, 04:09 AM

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As played I think you have to push over the reraise on the flop. Worst case scenario vs AA,KK,TT, and any QQ,JJ,AK with a heart and you are getting pot odds (+chipEV) to push.

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Think about the flop play. When is this not going to be a monster? A monotone KJ flop after he 3-bets pre-flop, and he check min-raises you. This is the classic donkey HUGE hand play. You are like 90%+ of the time drawing to runner runner or drawing DEAD. You do not have pot odds to continue here. You pretty much never have the pot odds necessary in this situation.

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and being the 1st hand theres a good chance you're up against the biggest donk on the table.

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That's frankly the only positive thing to say about shoving this flop.

IFoldPktOnes · #13 07-10-2007, 05:33 AM

I think the classic donkey huge hand play would be a flatcall or a minimum (or close to it) reraise preflop instead of to t300. Its difficult to come up with a specific range here, I tend to assume donkedness until proven otherwise. If you were certain they were on a monster preflop you would just fold to the reraise.

EscapePlan9 · #14 07-10-2007, 06:41 AM

If you weren't certain pre-flop, then you know it by the action on this flop for sure.

santiagoz · #15 07-10-2007, 10:16 AM

I just limp pre flop. As played after reraised i shove pre-flop.

As played again, i shove the reraise.

Albino Lord · #16 07-10-2007, 12:56 PM

I agree with 3-betting the pre-flop. At the level you're playing at the chances of him being a total donkey are very good. At worst he comes back for all-in and you're most likely ahead. Had you done this you don't have to worry about the scary flop you saw.

EscapePlan9 · #17 07-10-2007, 01:26 PM

Limping pre-flop with AK in the CO is missing out on value. Do you not like $$$? Raising it should not be debateable here.

Kevin8423 · #18 07-10-2007, 02:36 PM

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Limping pre-flop with AK in the CO is missing out on value. Do you not like $$$? Raising it should not be debateable here.

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Yeah its not, limping is terrible with AK.. especially in LP.