JJ in BB. I took a strange line

EnderW27 · #1 03-03-2006, 07:53 PM

UTG raises, folded to me in BB with JJ.

I call.

Flop is 3-6-7. I bet out. The very last round I bet out against his PF raise and had top pair. Whether he even noticed I'm not certain.

Anyway, I bet out. He raised. I called.

Turn: 7. I check, he bets, I raise.

It's a strange line but and not what I'd normally do but what do you all think?

ncboiler · #2 03-03-2006, 08:01 PM

Raise PF. I'm calling down afgter his flop raise frearing qq/kk/aa or a set.

BostonMetro · #3 03-03-2006, 10:49 PM

What would you normally do? Donk the turn and fold to a raise? Donk/call-down? 3-bet PF and play differently?

EnderW27 · #4 03-04-2006, 12:51 AM

I think normally I'd at least reraise pf, some of the time calling as I did here.

On the flop I think I'd three bet and if he capped I'd be in calldown mode the rest of the hand.

The way I played it I lost a little less money (and I did lose the hand) but I also gain a lot less when I'm ahead. On the other hand, I felt this might be a legitimate line to take to get a better hand to fold, given my play of top pair last round. I dunno. It didn't work this time but I thought I'd throw it out there and see what others thought.

bk1 · #5 03-04-2006, 01:09 AM

I would reraise with JJ.

because he raised pre-flop. it is reasonable to think that he had a slick or big pair.

So I would have probably played like you on the flop and turn.

However, I would also give up the pot.

Pot is just too small to put more money in there.

somapopper · #6 03-04-2006, 06:38 AM

I like this line OK as a changeup play, if you play a lot of hands with him, it's good to throw something like this in now and again.

Obviously, you should avoid this play if you think he's likely to not slow down with a big pair, despite the scare card.

Anyway, if you think his utg range is like 1010-aa, ak-aj, kqs, then not 3 betting pf is fine if it's just the two of you.

So, an overpair to your js will either 3-bet the flop or try to get the checkraise in on the turn. So, this line gets a little less than a sb extra in a pot where you'll usually be seeing the river.

He's getting 7:1 on calling your turn raise. When he's just got overs, he's about a 7.5:1 and with position, he'll probably make it up on the river, so it is very slightly in your interest to try to get him to fold em.

SpaceAce · #7 03-04-2006, 09:12 AM

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Raise PF. I'm calling down afgter his flop raise frearing qq/kk/aa or a set.

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Wait, what? Hero failed to reraise pre-flop then donked out at a flop that had no card higher than a seven on it. There is no reason to fear a big hand from Villain, here.

Also, I think the UTG hand range another poster in this thread specified is unreasonably tight for six-max tables. People in these games routinely raise much lighter UTG than TT-AA and KQs.

SpaceAce

somapopper · #8 03-04-2006, 10:02 AM

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Raise PF. I'm calling down afgter his flop raise frearing qq/kk/aa or a set.

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Wait, what? Hero failed to reraise pre-flop then donked out at a flop that had no card higher than a seven on it. There is no reason to fear a big hand from Villain, here.

Also, I think the UTG hand range another poster in this thread specified is unreasonably tight for six-max tables. People in these games routinely raise much lighter UTG than TT-AA and KQs.

SpaceAce

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I don't think this is 6-max... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

EnderW27 · #9 03-04-2006, 10:58 AM

It wasn't 6-max. 9 players were at the table.

SunOfaJack · #10 03-04-2006, 12:41 PM

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I felt this might be a legitimate line to take to get a better hand to fold, given my play of top pair last round. I dunno.

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you didn't provide any reads, Folding a better hand QQ-AA is very questionable? You'll need a strong read to expect this to happen enough of the time.

Presumably the board was rainbow as well since you didn't mention, i would be less willing to give villain credit for a pair if 2suited.

Lastly I think the turn donk would be more of standard play. Since as pointed out, by C/Ring overcards are less incorrect to call. You profit from your opponents mistakes

Either folding or calling a Turn raise would depend on PFR of vilain and postflop agrression.

As mentioned, I think it's important to stress you maight want to mix it up once you have a line or played enough with villain.