Fold Pocket Queens?!

Julio · #1 07-09-2007, 06:38 PM

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $13.75
BB: $12.85
UTG: $7.90
BTN: $11.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.30, BB folds, BTN raises to $3.30, Hero raises all-in to $13.75, BTN calls all-in for $7.80
Uncalled bet of $2.65 returned to Hero

Flop: ($22.30) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Turn: ($22.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($22.30) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $22.30 ($1 Rake)

BTN had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and WON (+$10.20)
Hero had Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$11.10)

Julio · #2 07-09-2007, 06:39 PM

#1: in a 1on1 situation do u ever fold queens preflop?
#2: how many times have you folded queens playing nlhe preflop?
#3: i guess i was hoping he had TT or JJ or AKs

jerryf1914 · #3 07-09-2007, 06:44 PM

yes i think you have to fold it here he just calls the 3 bet with less than kk.

unless hes a nut job then you have to lose here

winnnar · #4 07-09-2007, 06:53 PM

unless you got a real solid read on villain as a PF maniac. very rarely should you be shoving Q-Q PF anyways...only going to get called by AK KK or AA

jessyj07 · #5 07-09-2007, 07:02 PM

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#1: in a 1on1 situation do u ever fold queens preflop?
#2: how many times have you folded queens playing nlhe preflop?
#3: i guess i was hoping he had TT or JJ or AKs

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1)yes
2)probaby between a 15 and 25.
3)that sounds pretty optimistic.

jack21221 · #6 07-09-2007, 07:23 PM

In a 4 handed game, I fold QQ preflop exactly 0 times out of a million. Though, I probably just call the 3 bet to see the flop, and if there's no A or K there, then I push.

Julio · #7 07-09-2007, 07:27 PM

in the world series tournament of champions, chip reese seriously considered folding his KK to hellmuth's AA. in fact, it looked like chip wanted to but he talked himself out of it

i'm not sure if outright folding queeens preflop in a 4handed game was the right thing to do, but maybe i shouldn't have shoved

Ramana · #8 07-09-2007, 07:34 PM

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In a 4 handed game, I fold QQ preflop exactly 0 times out of a million.

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And people call a 100BB AI w JJ-TT AK often enough to make this profitable? I think this is a leak, there is no way that this is better than a coinflip long term. Anyway, I call the RR and fold flop.

jack21221 · #9 07-09-2007, 07:40 PM

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In a 4 handed game, I fold QQ preflop exactly 0 times out of a million.

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And people call a 100BB AI w JJ-TT AK often enough to make this profitable? I think this is a leak, there is no way that this is better than a coinflip long term. Anyway, I call the RR and fold flop.

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Nowhere did I say go all in. I just said don't fold. Reading comprehension FTW.

SilverSupraT · #10 07-09-2007, 07:44 PM

I think I have to have a good read before I fold PF. 90% of the time I call the 4-bet PF and hope to hit. If an A, K, J, or T comes I'm looking to fold, easy. Even if I have an over pair on the flop I check and see if he comes out with a bet or not.