Tough river spot 2-4nl

[sasha]

FullTiltPoker Game #2896911158: Table Promenade (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:35:15 ET - 2007/07/09
Seat 1: cas7322 ($16.15)
Seat 2: cosmicpoker ($557.95)
Seat 3: GoodOldBlue ($326.90)
Seat 4: Townie Railer ($576.30)
Seat 5: ericontilt ($433)
Seat 6: deffe ($803)
GoodOldBlue posts the small blind of $2
Townie Railer posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ericontilt [Qc As]
ericontilt raises to $14
deffe folds
cas7322 folds
cosmicpoker calls $14
GoodOldBlue folds
Townie Railer folds
*** FLOP *** [8s 3s Qs]
ericontilt has 15 seconds left to act
ericontilt bets $24
cosmicpoker calls $24
*** TURN *** [8s 3s Qs] [Jd]
ericontilt checks
cosmicpoker bets $82
ericontilt calls $82
*** RIVER *** [8s 3s Qs Jd] [4d]
ericontilt checks
cosmicpoker bets $168

Ericontilt?

[recallme]

Lead turn fold to a raise if it doesn`t offer odds

[Trivial]

Weird spot, the turn check isn't bad but I'd usually want a read to play it that way (and would be doing so typically with the intention of calling the river). Readless I fold the river as played since his large turn bet priced out draws and thus he probably expects you to call.

[sasha]

I dont want to be blown off nut draw+all woest hands fold.
i think leading sucks

[berserk]

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Lead turn fold to a raise if it doesn`t offer odds

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Please no. If you lead turn it is to get AI (though not that happily). I don't mind the turn check-call though my standard would probably be to bet/call.

You have to call this river.

[d2themfi]

I might go for a check raise on the flop, as you really dont fear a free card and ur hand has a lot of value against his range.

As played I dont mind the turn check call because you have the nut draw and it would be a shame to be raised off of that.

I think I fold on the river. I doubt he is bluffing here and I think he never value bets less than aq here

If ur opponent isnt that aware/aggro you might want to throw out a blocking bet on the river

[Darkfolder]

Lead river?

[d2themfi]

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Lead river?

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Only if villain sucks

[Darkfolder]

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Lead river?

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Only if villain sucks

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We can call a raise.

[d2themfi]

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Lead river?

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Only if villain sucks

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We can call a raise.

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NO