getting value out of the nuts....

[mutigers5591]

PokerStars Game #10841901377: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/07/08 - 23:05:08 (ET)
Table 'Elsa V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: MDoranD ($333.60 in chips)
Seat 2: mutigers5591 ($192.35 in chips)
Seat 3: dtemp ($213 in chips)
Seat 4: ned04 ($93.80 in chips)
Seat 5: JDub2k4 ($224.85 in chips)
Seat 6: WSU Slacker ($207.05 in chips)
dtemp: posts small blind $1
ned04: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mutigers5591 [Qh Ah]
JDub2k4: raises $6 to $8
WSU Slacker: folds
MDoranD: folds
mutigers5591: calls $8
dtemp: folds
ned04: folds
*** FLOP *** [8h Th 5h]
JDub2k4: bets $16
mutigers5591:


villain is a mulitabling player i think...i dont have pokertracker so no stats..he seemed solid enuff

my thinking was if he has an overpair is really the only way i get anything out of the hand so if i raise now he either mucks, 3 bets, or unlikley calls wtih something...which i wouldnt mind lol....but i do have the stone cold nuts for now but a heart kills my action too....this is a standard raise isnt it...too how much

[Cap_Of_Water]

3 bet preflop, then there's lotsa money when you flop nuts

[cbboy]

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3 bet preflop, then there's lotsa money when you flop nuts

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LOL. 3-bet PF. As played, I probably raise the flop and try to get some money in the middle.

Oh, and get PT.

[Cumulonimbus]

lol n/m

[Imrahil]

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3 bet preflop, then there's lotsa money when you flop nuts

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LOL. 3-bet PF. As played, I probably raise the flop and try to get some money in the middle.

Oh, and get PT.

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[schlimazel]

3bet preflop for sure.

does everyone raise the flop? you have the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. what hands does he continue with on a monotone flop.. and what % of his range is this? i dont think raising the flop gets us a lot of value with the nuts.

i think i would flat call the flop. if a blank hits the turn, he'll probably fire another barrel. if he checks, he probably wouldn't call a flop raise anyway. i think call/call gets the most value from weaker hands, but i could be convinced otherwise.

[martijn]

I know many people will disagree with me, but standard 3betting pf AQ(esp against an UTG raiser) is spew.

I think I make a 2.5x raise on this flop.

[redCashion]

3betting AQs should depend on villain's range, you don't 3bet vs 13/10 but should vs 26/24.

I don't get why you raise the flop here against a multitabling TAG, the only thing he can call with is a set, a smaller flush, or maybe KhKx and I think it's a little earlier to put him on that. I would call flop, and raise turn.

[mutigers5591]

alight thanks for the input...confirms my suspicions that i play bad lol...i do need to get pt as it helps im sure figuing out opponents....as for reriasing prelfop i prolly could have but i had positin with a pretty strong hand (evidnece for raising?!lol) and i just decided to see aflop and reevalute him...i have a realy small reraising range for some reason i guess its prolly a pretty big leak cuz i am hardly ever reraising prelfop even with a hand like jj i just hate getting in big pots wtih hands like aq and jj wihtout something good for me on the board....plus it kind of disguises the strength of my hand....i decided to raise the flop not to get value from weaker hands but i think it could show less strenthg raising there then just calling altho me calling could mean alot..anyway i raised to about 42 i think and he 3 bet allin with his kk (no heart)...cant blame him but a high pocket pair like that is what i was (hoping..) he had which is silly jsut to hope he has that i was right this time and no way he can really get away from it vs me cuz i am pretty aggro ....anyway it held


and very sorrry about not posting in a hand converter i wil make sure to do that from now on i read the sticky a bit too late but it wont happen again