David Singer

[Aleo]

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Since you deem his gripe legit, what DOES he deserve?

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I have a suggestion. Better rules, properly enforced?

[gaamblor]

from that story
"WSOP Media Director Gary Thompson said one particular scandal in Europe, where a player used a device to send video images of cards to a collaborator outside the casino , was of particular concern to WSOP officials. "

That sounds like a good thing to worry about....

"There was no intent to violate the rule," said Jerome Stone, the Rio's poker room manager. "I believe the sound was hurting his decision and he actually "There was no intent to violate the rule," said Jerome Stone, the Rio's poker room manager. "I believe the sound was hurting his decision and he actually did the responsible thing by silencing the ringer." ."

someone try this at some point and see how it goes....

my 2c

David is technically correct
David was morally and ethically wrong to try and get the guys hand killed
I hope he sues sothe stupid rule gets changed

The entire idea of cellphones in casinos/sportsbooks/pokerrooms needs to be addressed by the NGC because the rules are grossly out of date.

[shaniac]

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3) Singer is acting like a huge pussy, and by most practical and ethical measurements, he approached this in the wrong way, but he DOES have a legitimate gripe with the way the rule was enforced. Of course, he didn't deserve a refund.

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Since you deem his gripe legit, what DOES he deserve?

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He deserves nothing except a company that can competently run a high-stakes poker tournament, but, since it's Harrah's, he shouldn't expect or deserve anything. He should have taken up the fight in the name of proper tournament direction and not asked for something as petty as his buyin refunded.

I'd like to point out that the Bellagio uses the same cellphone rules, and they are much harsher and more consistent when it comes to implementing it. If you are at the table, not involved in a hand but handling your phone, Maria or Jon or Jack will tell you that you are not allowed to use it at the table. That way, there are no distinctions made when it comes to a crucial hand-life ruling. I've seen Bellagio floorpeople tell everyone--from superstars to schmucks--to get up from the table if they are holding their phone. The reason for this is that the Bellagio knows how to run a poker tournament and enforce rules even-handedly and consistently, even if you don't agree with the rule itself.

[shaniac]

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The entire idea of cellphones in casinos/sportsbooks/pokerrooms needs to be addressed by the NGC because the rules are grossly out of date.

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I agree, but I fear that when the issue gets addressed, it will be at the expense of our ability to use devices like iPods for personal entertainment. I don't think it's possible for TDs to fairly distinguish between someone using an iPhone for text messaging and for locating a playlist, so they're either going to have to ban electronics entirely or permit their use more liberally. I don't particularly want to sit at a table with 4 people texting and on their phones, so I really don't know what the solution is.

[mattpj]

how about this then, Singer hits his draw and eliminates his opponent. Does the opponent get the right to a refund because his hand should have been ruled dead and he should not ahve been allowed to call?

I think a refund is not correct because its not like Singer got called and didn't get a showdown so could not win. Regardless of his outs

If he picked up the pot I am pretty sure he wouldn't react like this. He might call it the principle now, but if he was still playing he might quickly forget that principle.

I still think that the dealer should have killed the hand if the rule is meant to be that stricht, colluding or not

[primetime32]

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"82. Cell Phone Rule: or texting a messaging when the dealer delivers the first card from the deck will have a dead hand. No cell phones can be placed on a poker table."

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how can so many of you so blatantly interpret this rule and then speak about your interpretation as though it's not an interpretation at all, but the letter of the law.

The particular passages I am refering to are

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A player who wants to use a cellular phone must step away from the table.

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I had only had to read this far to find more fault in your argument. A player who "wants to use a cellular phone." Well, when someone asks you if you used your phone today would refer to instances in which you turned off your ringer? I don't know of anyone that would.

The guy simply didn't use his phone. He turned it off.

And do you think Phil Ivey or Doyle Brunson would be whining like Singer is?

[Crane]

I'll betcha Singer wouldn't have said one word he had the nuts.

[FireStorm]

Well, Crane, Singer wouldn't have been searching for an angle shoot out had he had the nuts and seen an opponent tanking over a call. The whole point here is that Singer shoved in a hand with high FE and tried to claw his way out ONCE said FE disappeared.

[Tom B]

I think it would be funny if Harrah's did an analysis of Singer's equity at the point the cell phone was touched and refunded based on his equity. I am guessing with a stack of 9,450 and a guy likely to call with top pair his equity at that point could not have been much more then about $2,000 or $2,500 at best.

[Crane]

I was at a play, and they announced THREE times to turn off your cell phones or put them on vibrate. Right in the middle of a very dramatic scene this lady's cell phone goes off. I just don't get it.

I was leaving the Bicycle Club one day, and while I was waiting at the light I saw a guy run the red light in the other direction and broadside a car with two little kids in the back--luckily nobody was hurt...yea, you guessed it he was answering a call on his cell phone.

A friend of mine rolled is Mercedes three times, ran into an embankment, and was then hit by another car on the LA 710 messing with his stupid cell phone. His car was unrecognizable. He came out with a broken finger.

I think the rule is stupid. I HATE cell phones. I got along fine for 30 years without one, but this is a different era. Everybody has to be playing with their [censored] phones. Who the hell is everybody talking to all the time anyway? Can't it wait?

Apparently it can't, so change the effin rule and forget about it. If you get a call, put em on hold during a hand or something. Everybody and their mother has a cell phone and are using them constantly. I think it's ridiculous, but it's life in the oughts. Come up with a workaround.

Unless you're gonna make people turn in their phones at the saloon door like they did with the guns in the old west, you're going to have problems. Just figure out a way so the cell phone addicts can use em when they're playing or ban them altogether.