6.50, AK did I play this like a donkey? Me thinks I did.

[kyro]

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well it seems to me like there is no good or right decision here.

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No, there is a right decision. It's calling. Trust me.

[Crazy Porto]

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ok if all you guys say this is an instacall your probably right it just seems unbelivable to me the <u>average</u> 6,50 players make this kind of moves.

[Genetix]

I gotta agree with Crazy Porto. The initial call and then subsequent shove are screaming JT or 2 pair.

[DeuceSeven]

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I gotta agree with Crazy Porto. The initial call and then subsequent shove are screaming JT or 2 pair.

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You guys haven't played many 6.50s raising and calling ranges are wide pre and post flop, here's 2 examples:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t1780)
Button (t1420)
SB (t1480)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1420)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1420)
MP3 (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, MP3 calls t210, CO calls t190, SB calls t190.

Flop: (t1000) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t600</font>, MP3 calls t600, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1530</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t650 (All-In), MP3 folds.

Turn: (t4380) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t4380) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t4380

Results in white below: <font color="#AAAAA">
Hero has Ad Ah (three of a kind, aces).
CO has Td As (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins t4100. CO wins t280. </font>


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t1215)
BB (t1340)
UTG (t1890)
UTG+1 (t1590)
Hero (t3470)
MP2 (t1470)
CO (t1180)
Button (t1345)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t180</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t270.

Flop: (t945) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t1140</font>, Hero calls t540.

Turn: (t3225) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t3225) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3225

Results below: <font color="#AAAAA">
UTG+1 has Ts Ac (two pair, queens and tens).
Hero has Ad Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins t3225. </font>

There are other examples where I have an over pair and 6.50 donks play hyper aggressive with any draw in the first 2 levels. So I guess the moral of this thread is to jam the pot with an overpair (QQ+) or tp when you have AK, AQ. Giving these guys too much credit with strong hands is a big mistake.

[Kevin8423]

The average $16s players play this way also and I would imagine even higher up they do though I haven't played enough above the $16s to know how much higher you could expect to see it.

[AMT]

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without a read/notes on villian i would call this 30% of the times.

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36.663% of the time!

(seriously, this makes absolutely no sense and I have no earthly idea how it could be statistically supported).