Casino Gambling Web Representatives Headed to Washington! - Page 6

TheEngineer · #51 07-04-2007, 10:14 PM

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Nice letter1

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Thanks! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Legislurker · #52 07-04-2007, 11:06 PM

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I think we're better served writing letters that express our opinion, but don't antagonize. FOF will say "oh, look at the ungodly heathens we have to endure" when they read negative letters.

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My personal opinion is that we should write "persuasive" letters to open-minded folks, as an antagonistic letter could do more harm than good. However, against a sworn enemy like FoF, we should probably show our resolve and conviction of our goals. At least that's the approach I took with my letter to them.

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At what point should we be confrontational? You get a shot at Congress only once every two years. Kyl still tells people we don't vote, sooner or later we have to disabuse that notion. Maybe Im just naturally militant, or the lessened income is wearing on me, but I really want to start striking back.

TheEngineer · #53 07-04-2007, 11:12 PM

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At what point should we be confrontational? You get a shot at Congress only once every two years. Kyl still tells people we don't vote, sooner or later we have to disabuse that notion. Maybe Im just naturally militant, or the lessened income is wearing on me, but I really want to start striking back.

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Now is fine. I was saying we should be harsh with our sworn enemies, as I think I was in my FoF letter.

As for Kyl, whenever I see an online article about him, I make sure to make a post calling him a traitor. Harsh? You bet, but it's a good message to get out there, especially now with his problems with his base due to the immigration bill.

Legislurker · #54 07-05-2007, 12:05 AM

Well, Kyl has a job for 5.5 years. FoF, well no one here was donating to them before, so what are they losing. I would think as soon as we have a 527 and a PAC up, we let our targets know we intend to come after them. I would think a monthly phone in/letter write on a coordinated day in every targeted district would put the fear of only being a lobbyist in some Reps hearts if the efforts were big enough. I honestly don't think we should even bother with finding candidtates. Our role model should be the NRA. Leave us alone, let us play poker, repeal UIGEA, and have the DOJ Nazis back off, or we vote you out. No Democrat in a national campaign mentions guns unless bent over a barrel.
The message should be leave us alone or we will vote out every incumbent we can. If 10 House Republicans have to take us seriously in 10 states, thats a potential of 20 Senators who have to listen to them. Make it clear the onus is on them to let us go back to being free to puruse our living/hobby/recreation, and we go away.

TheEngineer · #55 07-05-2007, 12:09 AM

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Total: 5842

Signatures.........Date
160..................4-Jul-07 (pretty good for a holiday)
498..................3-Jul-07
489..................2-Jul-07
12....................1-Jul-07
15...................30-Jun-07
24...................29-Jun-07
20...................28-Jun-07
5.....................27-Jun-07
0.....................26-Jun-07
8.....................25-Jun-07
14...................24-Jun-07
30...................23-Jun-07
15...................22-Jun-07
30...................21-Jun-07

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TheEngineer · #56 07-05-2007, 12:20 AM

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I would think as soon as we have a 527 and a PAC up, we let our targets know we intend to come after them...

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We could do lots of stuff with an organization that we can't effectively do now. What we can do now is build the momentum to take that next step.

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I honestly don't think we should even bother with finding candidtates. Our role model should be the NRA.

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Then how would be know who to help and who to target? The NRA recruits and recommends candidates all the time. Every congressman has an NRA grade.

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The message should be leave us alone or we will vote out every incumbent we can.

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You're going to vote out Barney Frank and Robert Wexler?

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If 10 House Republicans have to take us seriously in 10 states, thats a potential of 20 Senators who have to listen to them. Make it clear the onus is on them to let us go back to being free to puruse our living/hobby/recreation, and we go away.

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Maybe we should actually set up an organization first. You're very optimistic about the power we'll wield. I look forward to furthering our agenda.

TheEngineer · #57 07-05-2007, 12:49 AM

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At what point should we be confrontational? You get a shot at Congress only once every two years. Kyl still tells people we don't vote, sooner or later we have to disabuse that notion. Maybe Im just naturally militant, or the lessened income is wearing on me, but I really want to start striking back.

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We lost the HR 4411 vote 317-93 last year. They paid no attention to our point of view at all. If we wrote confrontational letters the day after the vote threatening to vote the 317 congressmen who voted against us out of office, we'd have been laughed at.

Getting Leach out got us some attention. Since then, we've been building credibility since then the only way possible....by getting some legislation introduced on our behalf while writing and calling a lot of congressman, primarily either most likely to help us or most likely to switch sides. The sad fact is that over 90% of incumbants who run for reelection get reelected. With such a lopsided HR 4411 vote, it makes a lot of sense for us to try to flip "aye" votes wherever possible.

Opportunities abound. I'd like to strike back at good targets wherever possible, so long as it doesn't distract from more productive efforts. Do you have anything in mind (prior to formation of a PAC)? Feel free to post any suggestions to my Action Item thread.

ProsperousOne · #58 07-05-2007, 08:51 PM

Signed: 5900ish... Unfortunately, we've dropped to position 22 in the petition rank [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

BTW, I called FOF and they left this message on my voice mail re: Annie Duke:

(sorry, the url auto link didn't work. Copy and past the URL into your browser and download the mp3... file)

http://yupislyr.com/drewmike/redirec...achristian.mp3

TheEngineer · #59 07-05-2007, 09:57 PM

We're up to 5,952 signatures. Let's get to 6,000. Can everyone here try to this wherever possible, such as a Libertarian site?

I posted it on conservapedia, at http://www.conservapedia.com/Gambling . I disguised it as a warning from FoF [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] . Wikipedia saw through my attempt to post it there, though.

oldbookguy · #60 07-05-2007, 10:08 PM

Received an answer of sorts today from my FoF e-mails as follows:

Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:43:03 -0600
From: "FOF Email Response" <Emlresp@fotf.org> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Response to Your Contact
To: oldbookguy@verizon.net
Dear XXXXXXXX:

Thank you for your e-mail to Focus on the Family. It’s my privilege to get back to you on behalf of our staff.

We appreciate your taking a moment to share a few thoughts regarding the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA). From what you wrote, it’s obvious that both of us are approaching this subject from completely different perspectives. Nevertheless, if you’re interested in learning more about our views on Internet gambling, we invite you to look at the “Talking Points” about 3/4 of the way down the following online article: http://www.citizenlink.org/FOSI/gamb...000004244.cfm. Furthermore, we believe the Bible has much to say about gambling in general. A summary of these thoughts can be found at http://www.troubledwith.com/AbuseandAddi...%3a%20gambling.

Thanks again for getting in touch with us, Dave. God bless you.

Darrell Green
Focus on the Family