QQ allin preflop

[pokerplayer1]

How should you play QQ preflop when you are 4bet?

MP has stats 22/17 over 100 hands.

Party Poker (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls 396 (All-In), MP calls 394 (All-In).

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot:


Is it better to just call the 4bet and see flop? If the flop brings and A or a K fold. and if the flop doesn't bring an A or K, be willing to stack off?

A wide part of a lot of players 4bet range is probably AK.

In the past I've been happy to fold QQ here preflop, but I've seen a lot of players play there weaker hands with a 4bet, so I don't know if folding is the best option.
At lower stakes a 4bet is usually AA or KK if player is decent and there isn't a history between the players.

[jfish]

if you seriously spite open shoved to prevent him from 3betting you, i applaud you.

[RollinHand]

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if you seriously spite open shoved to prevent him from 3betting you, i applaud you.

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me too [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[Vinny80]

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if you seriously spite open shoved to prevent him from 3betting you, i applaud you.

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I'm sad this is probably a converter problem, otherwise it would have been a master play.

[dnh83]

Folding QQ preflop is the new folding KK preflop, as in I basically never do it anymore

[Josh.]

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Folding QQ preflop is the new folding KK preflop, as in I basically never do it anymore

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[rand]

hm looks like youre playing 2,4?

this is where it folding QQ is no longer marginal but usually wrong-that is the players are aggro enough (usually meaning they are pretty good) to the point where this is a call

at 1,2 like 90%+ of all players 4betting in my experience had AA or KK

and this is true for bad live games 2,5 and below

[obiedman]

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hm looks like youre playing 2,4?

this is where it folding QQ is no longer marginal but usually wrong-that is the players are aggro enough (usually meaning they are pretty good) to the point where this is a call

at 1,2 like 90%+ of all players 4betting in my experience had AA or KK

and this is true for bad live games 2,5 and below

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yea i agree, the games are just so aggro lately that folding QQ shouldn't be done, I think. I'd just get it in and be happy about it

[pokerplayer1]

ok thanks for replies.

here is the actual hand: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1235979

there was a problem with the converter. the hand was 5bet preflop

[aislephive]

Use this from now on, pokerhand sucks for converting hands.

http://legopoker.com/hh/index.php

With history this is completely standard, against a normal 22/17 without history it's probably a small mistake at most.