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5cd:how to draw with total crap
when i get a freeplay from bb for instance and i have no pair, no 4 flush or oesd then how whould i draw. shouldi draw 4 and keep and ace should i draw all 5 new, should i draw to a 3flush or a gutshot?
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Re: 5cd:how to draw with total crap
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when i get a freeplay from bb for instance and i have no pair, no 4 flush or oesd then how whould i draw. shouldi draw 4 and keep and ace should i draw all 5 new, should i draw to a 3flush or a gutshot? [/ QUOTE ] I want to know the answer to this myself. |
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Re: 5cd:how to draw with total crap
I generally draw 4 to a broadway, or 3 to 2 broadway. I'm not sure how correct that is.
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Re: 5cd:how to draw with total crap
Draw to A and/or K, toss everything else.
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Re: 5cd:how to draw with total crap (VERY LONG!)
DRAWING WITH CRAP (or almost)
This can sometimes depend on the action. You can break down the situations into the following cases: 1) HU vs SB 2) HU vs limper in late position 3) HU vs limper in early position 4) 3-way pots including the SB with a late position limper 5) 3-way pots including the SB with an early position limper 6) 3-way pots not including the SB 7) multiway pots (3 or more opponents) Obviously, the further down on the list, you want to make a better hand. HEADS UP -------- When you are heads up, you are essentially trying to make a winning pair. You have a free shot to make that winning pair and the worst that could happen is that you make a pair and your lone opponent fires a bet and you fold if it's likely a losing hand. Weak gutshots and even some openended straight draws and very weak flush draws should be ignored since the main goal is to make a big enough pair. 1) When up against the small blind, since he limped, he probably doesn't have 77 or better, so therefore you want to keep any card that has some chance of winning if you pair up on it. The small blind could have limped in with a hand such as AJxyz or AQxyz and is just hoping to catch a pair. If you have two cards HIGHER than a nine, you should simply draw three to your highest two cards unless you have a royal flush cathop that you decided not to semibluff with, in which case you try to make a royal flush. There is a close decision on AKQxy. You would almost always draw three to AK unless you know the small blind open raises with a lot of pairs including 44 and limps in with hands such as AK, AQ, AJ, AT or KQ; only then, would you consider drawing two to AKQ. Obviously, with AKJxy, you draw three. Common mistake/leak: ........................... A very common mistake I see players make is drawing two to hands such as AQJ, KQJ, etc. It's only a few pennies here and there, but that's why we play the game, right? You simply draw three to your highest two cards with one major exception: when you have a royal flush cathop (and even with AKTs/KQTs, it's debatable: you may want to draw three to AK against most of your opponents). When you have a NINE, you tend to keep it as well, since even a pair of nines can win against a small blind that has limped in. When you have an EIGHT, you probably want to use some judgment: e.g., if this player has raised with 77 from the SB, keeping an eight now makes sense if he has failed to raise. Still, with a hand like As 8h 7d 6c 4d, you may be better off drawing four (forget about your gutshot; BTW, even if you have A7654, you should tend to forget your openended straight draw and simply draw four against most opponents). The above applies to the small blind that draws exactly three cards. If the small blind draws four cards (!), you draw three to AJ, AQ and AK and four to a K (unless you want to bluff with a busted KQ suited by drawing three) and four to a queen. [ I think with a jack, you probably are better off drawing five against a four card draw to presumably a card higher than a jack! ] Now, if the small blind does a fair amount of trapping, you probably want to ditch a nine or eight when you have an ace since you want to maximize your chances of making three aces or better. Then you might want to draw to a very weak openender or flush draw rather than four to an A/K/Q/J against a habitual trapper who might be drawing two to not just 22A or 33A, but trips. Examples: assume your opponent in the small blind has drawn three cards a) Qs 6d 5d 4d 3c; you usually draw four to a queen unless against a trapper, but here he could only be trapping you with AA b) Ad 8s 5s 4s 3s; you usually draw four to the ace; forget the pathetic flush draw unless your opponent will lay down often c) Qs Js Ts 7h 2d; draw two to your cathop d) Ts 9s 7d 6c 3d; draw three to T9; forget the gutshot e) 8s 7h 4d 3c 2c; draw either four or five f) 2d 2c As Ks 9h; your guess is as good as mine! I can see keeping 22, AsKs and drawing two to 22A as possible! Sure, you have a pair, and a lot depends on your opponent. When your opponent has limped in from another spot, you now want to draw to your flush or openender and even a gutshot if nothing else looks appealing. 2) Late position limpers, if they aren't trapping will often have just hands such as TT, 99 or 88, so now you may just want to pitch your ten especially when heads up against a cutoff limper. Player notes help a lot: for example, if the cutoff has limped in from his spot with JJ before, you probably want to draw four to KJxyz. 3) Early position limpers could even have a hand as strong as KK, but you won't be too far off if you always drew three to AKxyz. The question is when to ditch a queen. I think you should seriously toss a queen if you've never seen this player limp in with JJ but have seen him limp in with QQ. Even ditching a king when you have AK-high or K-high is not out of the question, but you probably should tend to keep your king unless your opponent seems unlikely to have limped in with less than KK. Examples: assume you are HU versus an utg limper who has trapped with JJJ and open limped with KK in the past (and you think this guy is very tight since he limped in with QQ in the cutoff) g) As Qh 6h 3s 2s; draw four; two to As 3s 2s is the only serious alternative, but your opponent could have KK h) Ks Jh Th 9d 2c; one to a gutshot, if you are lucky, you may catch a case king and still win i) Kh Ts 9s 7s 2c; two to your cathop seems best, otherwise five is the only serious alternative, but you would love to fluke out against a hand like high trips and it's less likely your oppnent has KK since you already have one j) Qs 7h 5s 3h 2h; it's a bit more likely that your up against KK, so you may as well toss five; two to 732 suited could work out, but you don't necessarily have to make a big hand here: you only need to beat KK. You are reducing your chances by a few points of making AA+ if you shoot for the stars! 4) Here again, you are simply striving to make a pair and hope it gets checked around when you are able to make a big pair such as JJ or better. 5) Now, there are complications since the early position limper could be trapping and would the small blind be limping in with KK (or even better, worried about a possible trap?). You often have to toss four or five, but always pay attention for a cathop or if you have something like ATx suited (where you might want to draw two to your flush). 6) This resembles 4) or 5) above and depends on the first limper. 7) Here, you are trying to make at least aces up, so you want to keep an ace and toss any king in most cases. Sure, you won't be betting with aces up, but you can easily call a button bet with it and sometimes it gets checked around. STRANGE DRAWS ------------- Obviously, if you don't have a gutshot, or an openended straight draw or flush draw, the best kind of draw you can have is either a cathop or something like Axy suited. The best kind of cathop is 3 parts of a royal flush, so you generally draw two to hands even as weak as KJTs. Examples: assume everyone limped except the hijack, so it is a five-way pot. k) As Ts 8h 6s 2c; draw two to your flush; the only alternative is to draw four to the ace l) Js 9h 8h 7c 3h; draw one to your gutshot and hope you don't make a losing hand: you might even muck a straight depending on who bets m) As 9h 8h 4h 2s; this is a tough choice: you are about two points better to make 444+ by drawing to your 3-flush, so you have to ask yourself what your chances are of winning with AA only. I would draw four to an ace here, since paying off with a hand like 999 or 888 when someone who draws one bets out and you're the last defender of pot is ugly, especially when almost every dog is in the pot. Surely, you've remembered all those pots you've won that were 4-way or 5-way when you raised from the BB and won with AA unimproved? n) As Qh 5s 4s 2d; if you draw one, you'll have to use some judgment to get off your wheel, but I think that's better than the cathop; who says you ever have to bet? A funny hand ................ Off-topic, I held something like Ah Ks 4s 3s 2d in the BB when the SB limped and stood pat in a heads up pot! I didn't draw one obviously, somehow connected, called a bet and won! [SB had a broadway!] |
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Re: 5cd:how to draw with total crap (VERY LONG!)
great post
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Re: 5cd:how to draw with total crap (VERY LONG!)
VN post bigpooch!! It's good for limit game. In Pot Limit you have to play more aggressiv. Try to explain. If you have freeplay in BB this mean, as for me, that limpers have something weak( pairs under JJ or draw) and your full bank bet will be expencive for them. But do this not often and never do this with callingstation. If somebody call your raise - change 3 to 2 higher cards. If reraise - fold.
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Re: 5cd:how to draw with total crap (VERY LONG!)
Just get better starting hands.
PokerStars Game #11173352136: 5 Card Draw No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/07/28 - 00:12:21 (ET) Table 'Turais V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: Grasshopp3r ($30.25 in chips) Seat 2: sticnyne ($20 in chips) Seat 3: Robot 7 ($26 in chips) Seat 4: tucuwalter ($23 in chips) Seat 6: PokerJoeK ($20.60 in chips) Grasshopp3r: posts small blind $0.25 sticnyne: posts big blind $0.50 *** DEALING HANDS *** Dealt to Grasshopp3r [8h 8d Kh 8s 8c] Robot 7: calls $0.50 tucuwalter: raises $2 to $2.50 PokerJoeK: folds Grasshopp3r: raises $2.50 to $5 sticnyne: folds Robot 7: folds tucuwalter: calls $2.50 Grasshopp3r: discards 1 card [Kh] Dealt to Grasshopp3r [8h 8d 8s 8c] [As] tucuwalter: discards 1 card Grasshopp3r: bets $5 septon joins the table at seat #5 tucuwalter: raises $8.50 to $13.50 Grasshopp3r: raises $11.75 to $25.25 and is all-in tucuwalter: calls $4.50 and is all-in *** SHOW DOWN *** Grasshopp3r: shows [8h 8d As 8s 8c] (four of a kind, Eights) tucuwalter: mucks hand Grasshopp3r collected $45 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $47 | Rake $2 Seat 1: Grasshopp3r (small blind) showed [8h 8d As 8s 8c] and won ($45) with four of a kind, Eights Seat 2: sticnyne (big blind) folded before the Draw Seat 3: Robot 7 folded before the Draw Seat 4: tucuwalter mucked [Qh Qs Th Qc Td] Seat 6: PokerJoeK (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet) |
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