NL50 Hand - When a bluff gets good??

[Poker Jon]

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I agree, this is not a bluff preflop, this is a fairly standard 6max opening on the button.

Call the flop and c/r the turn. The problem with 3betting on the flop is that a bluff will fold 100% of the time, but if we check the turn villain may fire again. If he's got a set/two pair/overpair you'll probably be able to stack him anyways.

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This was exactly my thought process on this hand. I realised that if I 3 bet here, the only hands 4 betting all in is a set really as he will most probably put my on TT+ and try to 'stack-a-donk' - whilst still having a lot of outs against my straight.

So with this thought process in mind, I decided to call and evaluate on the turn.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP ($63.65)
Hero ($63.90)
SB ($39.55)
BB ($55.15)
UTG ($47.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $5</font>, Hero calls $2.50.

Turn: ($14.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ??

Discuss further?

Jon

[Poker Jon]

Forgot to add on my previous post that 3 betting this flop also loses any hand that might pay me off later such as A8 K8 etc etc

[kitchma]

We are on the button; makes it pretty hard to check raise.

[ciro bonano]

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This was exactly my thought process on this hand. I realised that if I 3 bet here, the only hands 4 betting all in is a set really as he will most probably put my on TT+ and try to 'stack-a-donk' - whilst still having a lot of outs against my straight.

[/ QUOTE ]As far as I know 'stack-a-donk' refers to betting the flop and crai the turn, not going for two checkraises in a row.

We are happy to get it all in against a set; he might have outs but we still are a favorite. Against worse hand it's even better; the question is whether he simply folds to the 3bet.

As played I'm betting the turn for $10. I don't know if I could get away if he pushes.

[gimmetheloot]

pf is standard as hell....3bet flop any hand that makes a 4 str8 can really kill action.

[barryc83]

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pf is standard as hell....3bet flop any hand that makes a 4 str8 can really kill action.

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Agreed you want money going in now. 3bet the flop to like $16 and then the pot gets so big that he feels committed and calls the rest of it off on the turn.

[Vyse]

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I 3bet the flop for 2 reasons.

1. Villain hasn´t comitted much of his stack yet.

2. How would you feel if a 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9 came off? Do you feel that it would help your efforts to get the money in, with the best hand to boot?

So even if this looks like a safe flop to slowplay, there is really a whole lot of cards that kill your hand/action. Against my normal random opponent I would never slowplay here.

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well said

[Emperor Norton]

Villain is a nit: tight preflop, not very aggressive postflop. Calling his minraise and hoping that he'll keep up a bluff on the turn is loony, because this is usually not a bluff, and because he's not aggressive enough to really make it worth our while. Save the fancier lines for reckless, aggro opponents. Against this guy, our money should go in now.

[RickA]

That was very informative. Initially, I was thinking to call the raise and push the turn. I don't think he will chr/fold very often and the pot will be big enough on the turn for him to feel comitted.

[infinite_loop]

I would think you have to just call, and then raise his turn bet... probably a push.