YUCK - i fold KK on non A turn

[Stake Monster]

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Who limps UTG 5-handed with 99?

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bad players.

[redCashion]

Uh ya, bad players? We don't have stats here so it's harder to say whether we are up against a reasonable opponent or not. My point is that if he has a 3, or a full house, then good on ya I'm still getting it in since both are pretty unlikely.

[reef2287]

thats what he said

[jasonfish11]

Oops didnt notice it was 5 handed. I need to pay more attention. I thought it was a full ring game.

[Stake Monster]

I pretty much agree with Red here, it's one of those spots where you're probably ahead more often than not and folding would be -EV.

[Mike MacIntosh]

Everything is pretty standard until the turn action. Sometimes I check behind (to pick up value from PP's), and bet to protect my hand from a draw. Both plays are completely valid.

If I bet and get min-raised like this, "hychahahaha".

Villains range is just so wide in this spot. He l/c UTG, c/c flop, and then c/mr on the turn. hmmm...

Given how wide his range his, I hate folding. Shoving is pretty spewy in this spot against an unknown. By default, I call this turn mr, with the intention of calling most river bets.

[Austiger]

I ain't folding. I might fold the river, if he makes a big bet, but there's $143 in the pot so I'm willing to put $30 more in to see.

[whoa_wtf]

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According to Baluga Theorem you are beat, but there are so many factors that wouldnt make me lay it down

- the board is paired so there are only half as much set possibilities
- the board is double suited which makes draws more likely (although the action makes it strange)
- limp-calling can mean anything, so his range contains suited connectors as well as even maybe TT+ (he's unknown, but who knows how bad he plays his premiums). And what about A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ?

So this is pretty much a shove or fold situation; calling is the worst option as you let draws hit or make river cards kill the action.

If I'm in the zone, I'm shoving.

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ummm according to the baluga theorom you are good

[jonyy6788]

we haz 2 prs...that board is actually pretty friendly for some retard that limped TT-JJ

[Evolve]

Could he be bluff raising his draw?

Think push/fold is correct here.