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Old 07-02-2007, 01:58 PM
biendover biendover is offline
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Default 175bb deep Kc8c

Been thinking a lot about this play and I feel with stack sizes there are many ways to play this hand. I'm being a degen and writing this @ work so it's from memory.

NL100 6max. I have approximately 170-178 behind. Button is @ 34/12/1.7 approximately. I've been on the table for awhile and so has he. Nothing special. I'm pretty sure he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Button has around 180-190bb.

Preflop
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Button minraises to $2. I call on the big blind. (he usually raises 2-3 bucks preflop so nothing new)

Flop
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7c 6c 5x

Pot is $4. I lead $3 and get raised to $10. I put him on an overpair and decide just call (although i was thinking of reraising him- thoughts on that?)

Turn
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7c 6c 5x (3x)

I lead again for $20 and get minraised to $40 and I reraised all in.

Thoughts?

If you were villain what would you do? Does this have folding equity?

Thanks!

Bien
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:02 PM
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

Turn shove is very spewy. Yeah, you've got outs, but he's not calling you with worse. If you're going to shove, I like a strong 3bet on the flop and open shove the turn. I feel like he's got you beat here.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

This might work against a regular, but not against a drooler. I don't like the turn lead. Is this how you play sets? More importantly, would he suspect you would play a set like this?
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

i don't like that shove as well, those minbets are egging you on into a shove, your only getting called by hands that are better so why not just see the river for free and then you have either made your hand and get paid off or you lose minimal amounts of money, you do represent a 4 here but i think hes calling way too often for you to justify that
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:12 PM
Mike MacIntosh Mike MacIntosh is offline
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

IMO, you are over-estimating a shove's FE on the turn. I really do not see him folding much of his range, given his line. Shoving is the worst option of all here...I would rather fold to his min-raise, WHICH I REALLY HATE FOLDING HERE!
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

his minraise screams call and gives you the potodds to win big so why not just take what he gives you hes giving you 4.1 odds and you only need 2.1 to see that river
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

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This might work against a regular, but not against a drooler. I don't like the turn lead. Is this how you play sets? More importantly, would he suspect you would play a set like this?

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I play my sets and straights like this a lot. However, I don't think he would notice something like that.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

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This will never work against a regular, and definitely not against a drooler.

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One of the largest leaks I see people doing at this limit is shoving marginal draws on the turn. As one of the regulars, I call instantly with JJ+.
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

Anyone advocate c/r the turn? flop?
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:54 PM
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Default Re: 175bb deep Kc8c

keep raising on the flop...turn shove is bad
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