30/60 - AQs in the BB

[PokerBot123]

Ranges are to wide, atleast on UTG. Don't have enough information about sb. Problem with calling which should be the choice if we play is that we are stuck between the lag and the very tight utg raiser and our hand plays very badly against his range.

[Dazarath]

PokerBot, UTG's VPIP is irrelevant. His PFR is low, I give you that. Maybe I should've included his ASB or something. I hadn't looked at it at the time. But just PFR doesn't always give you a good picture of his raising range. For example, someone could have the same EP/MP raising standards as 2+2ers, but they don't open-raise in LP without at least an MP hand.

[Dazarath]

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88+,AJs+,KQs,AQo+ for UTG

55+,A8s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,ATo+,KJo for SB

Is that a fair range?

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I guess with the lack of information I had at the time, this is a fair range, for UTG, at least. I believe SB might have been one of those kooky types who has a randomized 3-betting standard.

[PokerBot123]

I'm allmost 100% sure utg's range is too wide, but I guess that really doesn't matter since it's still a fold. You are not closing the action and you are still out position.

[brokebackboy]

AQ cap PF is just bad play, even against LAG...unless you like to donate money. Why did you post this in the high limit section?

[PokerBot123]

What was sb's stats? We thinking he is going to 3 bet top 20% of his hands out og position against a super tight utg raiser at a ten handed table? He must be a total maniac with stats along the lines of 100-50/50/2? Is he just allways 3betting when he thinks he can push out the blind(s)?

[coolandtough]

OP-

I fold preflop also. There really aren't many boards you like very much. Any one pair flop for you is vulnerable to UTG's range. If you flop a pair and the board has another card T or above, you probably don't have incredible equity against those two opponents. You will also pretty much never be able to tell where you're at in the hand (especially if you need a cap from UTG to be able to fold). From your post I imagine you're gonna have a tough time folding any hand postflop vs SB. Your pf equity isn't that great+ postflop is still a gamble=fold.

If you don't fold, calling is WAAAAAY better than capping, unless UTG folds a TON of flops, which is probably not the case, because he'll basically always have a pair or overcards. If UTG doesn't cap, SB will lead the flop and you can then raise if you hit. UTG's reaction will give you much more info this way than if you had capped, led flop.

[Nightwish]

I agree with the "fold preflop" crowd. It's not just the fact that he is a 12/7/1.5. It's the fact that a 12/7/1.5 raised UTG. He either has a pair 99+ or AK or AQs. He *might* have AQo, maybe AJs, perhaps KQs, but that's about it. I can tell you right now he doesn't have AJo, ATs or KQo. Don't give this guy action.

Also notice how low his AF is given his low VP$IP. When he raises the flop, you're only ahead of A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and KQs, but that's it. So why are you 3-betting?

[Dazarath]

Ok, so my preflop play was poor. What about the river play, since I already got there?

[OnkelHotte]

fold preflop! rest fine!