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Old 06-27-2007, 09:33 PM
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Default NL50, QQ Pre-flop and flop

(Pardon my noobishness, my friends play high stakes and I normally come here for the fun, non technical forums.)

In this situation (.25-.50 blinds), I'm playing extremely tight because of the mere crap that I've been dealt over the past hour, and I wake up with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the BB. My Opponent raises $1.75, and folds around to me. I know I need to raise in this spot, but to how much? My opponent has $25.30.

A pot sized bet in this situation is $5.50, but I chose against this size because if he calls there's $11 in the pot and he's got $20 behind him. I made is $7, which puts $14 in the pot and leaves him with $18 behind, making it easier to put him all in on the flop. Is this sort of thinking correct?







Opponent instacalls my $7 bet, and the flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. My play here?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: NL50, QQ Pre-flop and flop

Your thinking is party fine and party bad. Who cares if you've been dealt utter crap for an hour? The cards certainly don't remember, nor do they discriminate. Treating each hand like an individual session can be tough at times, especially when running really badly or really well, but you need to try to do that.
Where your thinking was good was planning ahead for what you want to do on the flop. You have a hand that is often strong enough to get all-in with on the flop even unimproved. Your raise amount is fine. The flop, however, is about the worst possible flop in the deck. AK, AQ, AJ, JJ, and KK are all ahead of you. You're ahead of, like TT, and KQ. I know it sucks to have to fold a hand as good as QQ, but I probably check and fold the flop. Your opponent calling your reraise signals a pretty good hand, and you are now WAY behind his range once that flop comes.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:20 PM
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Your thinking is party fine and party bad. Who cares if you've been dealt utter crap for an hour? The cards certainly don't remember, nor do they discriminate. Treating each hand like an individual session can be tough at times, especially when running really badly or really well, but you need to try to do that.
Where your thinking was good was planning ahead for what you want to do on the flop. You have a hand that is often strong enough to get all-in with on the flop even unimproved. Your raise amount is fine. The flop, however, is about the worst possible flop in the deck. AK, AQ, AJ, JJ, and KK are all ahead of you. You're ahead of, like TT, and KQ. I know it sucks to have to fold a hand as good as QQ, but I probably check and fold the flop. Your opponent calling your reraise signals a pretty good hand, and you are now WAY behind his range once that flop comes.

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I think he was only mentioning that he hasn't been getting hands because he felt his table image might come into play.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:54 PM
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Yeah he was just setting up the hand with his table image. But I agree with flytrap, you can maybe check/call the flop as a float and see what he brings on the turn, but I would mostly just fold the flop as it is.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:23 PM
Warren Harding Warren Harding is offline
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Default Re: NL50, QQ Pre-flop and flop

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(Pardon my noobishness, my friends play high stakes and I normally come here for the fun, non technical forums.)

In this situation (.25-.50 blinds), I'm playing extremely tight because of the mere crap that I've been dealt over the past hour, and I wake up with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the BB. My Opponent raises $1.75, and folds around to me. I know I need to raise in this spot, but to how much? My opponent has $25.30.

A pot sized bet in this situation is $5.50, but I chose against this size because if he calls there's $11 in the pot and he's got $20 behind him. I made is $7, which puts $14 in the pot and leaves him with $18 behind, making it easier to put him all in on the flop. Is this sort of thinking correct?







Opponent instacalls my $7 bet, and the flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. My play here?

Thanks in advance.

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You'll get much better responses if you tell us the position of the raiser, and if any, reads on him. As it stands, I like your preflop reasoning (which implies he's LAG?). On the flop you hope he's got TT or worse, or crap he should have folded. Try putting him on a range of hands, and against loose ranges you can bet out hoping to pick up the pot right then, but usually, you are way behind.
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