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Old 06-27-2007, 08:08 PM
vixnu vixnu is offline
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Default Going All-In in a draw

PokerStars (9 handed)

Blinds: 25/50 (7 minutes to level IV: 50/100)

Hero: (2170 in chips)
MP3870 in chips)
CO1735 in chips)
Button735 in chips)
SB2565 in chips)
BB2520 in chips)
UTG2270 in chips)
UTG+13535 in chips)
MP1: (2835 in chips)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 150</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to 400</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets 2120 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls 1770 (All-In).

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

This hand happened to me in the beginning of a $5,50 MTT at Stars.
I thought a little bit about calling or folding villain's re-raise, but it offered me 2,5 to 1 so I decided to call because I had position after the flop.

My question comes after the flop:
if I call and win the pot, I'll win $2395 and increase my stack to $4365; if I fold my stack goes to $1770 and in 7 minutes my M shrinks to 11. So I decided that 8 outs were enough to justify a call.

So, the real question is: let's say that after the flop, I'm in a draw. And that if I go all-in, one player (and only one) will call. Let's also say that I only win the pot if I improve but I always win the pot when I improve. Which factors make my move right or wrong and how many outs justify my move?
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:31 AM
Tackleberry Tackleberry is offline
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Default Re: Going All-In in a draw

The answer to your question is a trivial matter of odds and outs, isnīt it?

In the posted hand you have about 9,5 outs (8 for your OESD, maybe 3 for your Q, discounted on 1 and another one and a half for your Third-Nuts-Backdoor-Flush-Draw, which I discount on a half). This surely assumes that you are behind - as I wouldnīt expect an all-in here with just A high or anything else, as BB has a healthy stack.

You would need odds of about 2.5:1, are actually just getting 1.5:1 though. A nobrainer fold.

To your last question - it is the same: if you ignore the fold-equity by going all-in first (which you do when saying that you expect to be actually called by exactly one player) then you can count the outs you have with your draw and compare the needed odds to the pot odds you actually get when you both are all-in.
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Old 06-28-2007, 05:19 AM
Larude Larude is offline
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Default Re: Going All-In in a draw

I would fold this preflop and then probably fold after the BB reraise. You raised from MP2 which isn't like a stealing position (unless you have been raising quite a lot lately), so a reraise steal back is unlikely (also on this low level I think). Yeah you have position but you also good be dominated really badly, pass this one and tighten up somewhat I would rather call his raise with JTs or T9s then QTo. For the rest of the story see Tackleberry.
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