Top pair raised on turn

pirlouit · #1 06-25-2007, 12:32 PM

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Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Button calls, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

No particular read on the table.
I went for a C/R on the flop and it failed.
I chose to lead out on turn, but got raised. Is a calldown correct ?
Board is not coordinated, then I guess a raise may come from a king, a pocket pair or 2 pairs.

imitation · #2 06-25-2007, 12:38 PM

looks good

emKay · #3 06-25-2007, 01:46 PM

WTF are these donks doing. I can perfectly imagine he has 88 here. I'm not folding however because he may do this with all kind of retarded stuff like a turned draw or a worse pair.

Please post the results for this one cuz I'm very curious.

pirlouit · #4 06-26-2007, 03:47 AM

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OK I'll do it.
But try to guess. I did not see that coming at all...

thorleif · #5 06-26-2007, 04:00 AM

Calldown looks pretty standard.

Am I leaking by not going for a checkraise on this flop? The balance here is that

[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]We have good relative position to trap money in the pot with the c/r

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]but vs a (assumed)TAG 3ball isn't this kindof a WA/WB situation?

Oink · #6 06-26-2007, 05:13 AM

The board is extremely dry so you are not going to be paid of a lot since no draws will really pay you of and it wont look like a semibluff so you wont get called down light.

I think a flop c/r is close. If I had KT on T93 w\ a flush draw I would def c/r the flop.

pirlouit · #7 06-27-2007, 08:04 AM

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He showed AA [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Boo Boo · #8 06-27-2007, 08:17 AM

Are you saying a c/r would be better on a more co-ordinated flop with lots of draws? Can you explain why?

Oink · #9 06-27-2007, 08:22 AM

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A villain that can read boards will put you on a draw as well as a made hand. This way he will call down lighter when the turn and river are bricks that dont complete a draw.

Also, since villain is more likely to have a draw on a drawy board than a dry board he will pay your raise of more often. The more worse hands that will call a raise the more value that raise has.

If you raise KT on T96 fd flop there is a shtload of hands that will call flop and turn. If you raise AA on AA2 rainbow flop there is only a few hands that will continue.

mvoss · #10 06-27-2007, 08:28 AM

You are winning this hand never. Fold to the turn raise.