lol supplements

[jah7_fsu1]

Got to agree on the creatine. You might try out Synthesize also by Avant Labs, they are one of the few supplement companies that I really trust as far as putting out well researched supps and stay on the cutting edge. Try looking for it at nutraplanet.com

You might try AMP if your looking for a nootropic or pre-workout stimulant type supp...I personally love the hell out of it, and it's gotten some of the best feedback in a long time for a supp of it's nature.

For the most part supps are a waste of time, but these two might be worth trying if you're looking to experiment.

[AlexHoops]

What is creatines effect on muscle tone? I've heard body builders attempt to reduce the amount of water in their muscle before a competition.

[Rearden]

better question:

What are you calling "muscle tone"?

[Colt McCoy]

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What is creatines effect on muscle tone? I've heard body builders attempt to reduce the amount of water in their muscle before a competition.

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Oh boy. Here we go. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[mattnxtc]

even better question...how do you tone muscle?

[Rearden]

If a tree falls in the woods and.....

Oh forget it.

The point is like many newbies the poster in question doesn't get that "tone" is a product of low body fat. As odd as this can sound sometimes the smaller you are the bigger and better you can look (at least with respect to losing fat and gaining definition, etc). You can't lift for "tone". You can however appear more "toned" by either getting larger muscle wise or... and this is likely most applicable... losing fat that is obscuring said muscles.

[LocustHorde]

spot on rearden, look at ridiculously ripped guys like Terrel Owens and Ray Lewis. Their bodyfat % is very low

[delta k]

Lol, I bought creadrive because it was on sale.

[longbody]

Tone is residual tension in a relaxed muscle and has nothing to do with bodyfat whatsoever. It also has nothing to do with definition or size.

Powerlifters have high muscle tone. Rock climbers and gymnasts also have high muscle tone. Their muscles are partially contracted around the clock due to the nervous system being more alert. An adaptation brought on by large amounts of tension to the muscles in question.

Tone is NOT the difference between someone being skinny and someone being fat, muscularity being equal.

So what I'm trying to say is, Rearden is wrong. You can lift for tone. Or climb rock. Or do some crazy [censored] on still rings. As long as the muscular tension is high.

[Thremp]

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Tone is residual tension in a relaxed muscle and has nothing to do with bodyfat whatsoever. It also has nothing to do with definition or size.

Powerlifters have high muscle tone. Rock climbers and gymnasts also have high muscle tone. Their muscles are partially contracted around the clock due to the nervous system being more alert. An adaptation brought on by large amounts of tension to the muscles in question.

Tone is NOT the difference between someone being skinny and someone being fat, muscularity being equal.

So what I'm trying to say is, Rearden is wrong. You can lift for tone. Or climb rock. Or do some crazy [censored] on still rings. As long as the muscular tension is high.

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I've heard this referred to as "density". Basically looking like you are flexing when you aren't. And yes, I have heard you can train for this.

But regardless, Rearden is right in the sense that if you look fat no one can tell how "toned" you are.