You Know To Fold But Still Call

[Beermantm]

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is this NL or Limit? In No Limit games you can definitely call a bet at the end at a profit. If you had made earlier bets that were big enough that the caller had no actual odds and the implied odds was not enough to make up for the bad call in the first place then calling at the end is still considered a profit for you. The only time you would fold in this situation would be if you are absolutely positive that you are now going to lose the rest of your money. If there is any question about your hand still being good you must pay off the caller but you do so at a profit.

NL holdem Theory and Practice. You need to know this information.

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You are still making profit OVERALL in the hand, because of your equity edge on previous streets.
If the chance that your opponent outdrew you is higher than your pot odds on the river, then it would still be more profitable to fold, though.

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If you are properly betting then this should really never be the case. Betting enough to cut off the implied odds is the strategy in NL theory and practice and if you can apply it at the table, which I was able to do the second after reading this info, then you will watch your profit soar. What is strange is I was working on a ROI% for my bets. I used a betting system that disguised your hand and made you the main person in control of the table. I was basing my bets on pot equity and position while shooting for a maximum ROI. This is not optimal because winning bigger pots with a lower ROI% is much more profitable. Combining both systems for short stack play and deep stack play made my ability to earn insane compared to the grind of working on actual odds.

If you have enough money on the river where you make your opponents bad calls good if you call a large river bet then you didn't bet large enough or you are playing deep. In either case a fold is never profitable but it might save you money. If you bet enough where he doesn't have enough left to make up for his bad play then definitely pay him off and reload. Overall the hand is a profitable loss. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Sounds funny but it works. I started reading mathmatics of poker and that is a bit harder to understand and apply so it will take me a while to get to that level. In the mean time I just bet bigger than I have to and rely on bad players to call.

[Valerio]

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If you are properly betting then this should really never be the case. Betting enough to cut off the implied odds is the strategy in NL theory and practice and if you can apply it at the table, which I was able to do the second after reading this info, then you will watch your profit soar. What is strange is I was working on a ROI% for my bets. I used a betting system that disguised your hand and made you the main person in control of the table. I was basing my bets on pot equity and position while shooting for a maximum ROI. This is not optimal because winning bigger pots with a lower ROI% is much more profitable. Combining both systems for short stack play and deep stack play made my ability to earn insane compared to the grind of working on actual odds.

If you have enough money on the river where you make your opponents bad calls good if you call a large river bet then you didn't bet large enough or you are playing deep. In either case a fold is never profitable but it might save you money. If you bet enough where he doesn't have enough left to make up for his bad play then definitely pay him off and reload. Overall the hand is a profitable loss.

Sounds funny but it works. I started reading mathmatics of poker and that is a bit harder to understand and apply so it will take me a while to get to that level. In the mean time I just bet bigger than I have to and rely on bad players to call.

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This is an interesting discussion, even though we are moving away from psychology.

I also read NLTAP recently, and I made a lot of similar changes to my game through reading it. One thing I do differently from you is that I still evaluate each street's EV individually. So, I will fold on the river if I think it is the highest EV move on that street, regardless of whether I cut down implied odds recently on earlier streets. Not sure which strategy is correct here.