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06-23-2007, 09:21 AM
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$1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
BB is solid, Button is LAG. 10 players left, top 4 paid. Two tables are 5-handed until someone busts. Blinds are 50/100 with no ante.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG (t2805) MP (t755) Button (t2395) Hero (t4400) BB (t3145) Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t100, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t250</font>, Button calls t150, Hero calls t150. Flop: (t750) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero ??? 
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#2
06-23-2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: $1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
checks and folds? people in these tournies dont fold ace anything on a paired board like that, kings will even stick around. Also Id probably just muck it to the preflop raise even with the bigstack. Youll win this tounry every time with this stack by just playing ABC, no need to get out of line IMO
Matt
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#3
06-23-2007, 01:06 PM
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Re: $1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
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checks and folds? people in these tournies dont fold ace anything on a paired board like that, kings will even stick around. Also Id probably just muck it to the preflop raise even with the bigstack. Youll win this tounry every time with this stack by just playing ABC, no need to get out of line IMO Matt [/ QUOTE ] umm.. so basically you're saying that donkeys will call with K high so we fold ?!
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#4
06-23-2007, 01:11 PM
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Re: $1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
no im saying what are you hoping for on the turn when they do all call. Dont say a 3 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] plus the fact that you could be well beat already
matt
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#6
06-23-2007, 01:18 PM
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Re: $1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
Agree mate in a proper tournament, its a perfectly reasonable play, but from my experience in these $1 events your just spewing chips even playing this pot in the first place, never mind with making a probe bet here.
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#7
06-23-2007, 01:57 PM
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Re: $1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
I like a check/raise A/I for value and to protect your hand. While leading out protects your hand, it is a -EV play because you likely only get called by hand that beat you and other hands fold (that would have bet if checked to).
Also, you have good relative position (to the likely bettor) so check and see what happens. If the BB bets and the button shoves, you have a pretty easy fold. If the BB bets and the button calls, shove. If the BB bets and the button folds shove. The other line is check/fold. I'd make my decision based on BB PF raising range and his c-bet frequency.
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#8
06-23-2007, 02:18 PM
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Re: $1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
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checks and folds? [/ QUOTE ] + [ QUOTE ] people in these tournies dont fold ace anything on a paired board like that, kings will even stick around. [/ QUOTE ] = [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I'm not saying he should go broke on this flop, I don't think he should at all, just your reasoning is way off in 'move up so they respect your raises' territory. [ QUOTE ] Also Id probably just muck it to the preflop raise even with the bigstack. [/ QUOTE ] He's getting 5:1 actual odds and great implied odds if things play like you suggest, folding is weak. [ QUOTE ] Youll win this tounry every time with this stack by just playing ABC, no need to get out of line IMO [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Except that the ABC is quite clearly to call pf.
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#9
06-23-2007, 05:55 PM
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Re: $1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
Good comments so far. This was a tough hand for me. I think pre-flop was easy, given the implied odds.
I put the BB on a couple of overcards or a bigger pair. I figured that a pot-sized bet would take it down right away if I was best, and wouldn't be giving odds to any straight draws out there. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG (t2805) MP (t755) Button (t2395) Hero (t4400) BB (t3145) Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t100, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t250</font>, Button calls t150, Hero calls t150. Flop: (t750) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t700</font>, BB calls t700, Button folds. Turn: (t2150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t350</font>, Hero ??? Given the call by a solid player who raised pre-flop, I figure I'm behind, but this is a tiny bet into a large pot - and I'm lost as to what to do.
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#10
06-23-2007, 06:11 PM
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Re: $1+.20/18 on PS - 33 in SB.
On preflop I play the same.
I would c/f this flop with an underpair against 2 though. Your bet is too big on the flop, you want to find out where you are so don't need to pot size it, I think. Once he calls I definitely c/f. His bet is small but you still don't get good enough odds for your full house, and I discount weakness since he called your flop bet. He's probably worried about you folding to a bet thats too big.
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