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#2
06-21-2007, 04:19 PM
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Re: Hand motion for surrender
There isn't one. I have tried on several occasions to tell my players this. A lot of times players have there own secret motion for surrender which no dealer knows about. I usually end up being the one who gets yelled at because "I should know this". If you must surrender (I don't agree with using it as part of basic strategy) say loud and clear "I surrender" before the player at 1st base takes a card.
Dan's 2 cents 
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06-21-2007, 04:43 PM
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Re: Hand motion for surrender
Why would you surrender before 1st base takes a card?
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#5
06-21-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: Hand motion for surrender
A couple thoughts:
There is no hand motion for surrender. I will usually just say "surrender" in a loud voice. Specifically, avoid touching the table at all if possible. I have no idea why anyone would surrender before 1st base acts on their hand. I guess this might be a way of being absolutely sure that the dealer does not accidentally give you a hit. Other than that, it doesn't make much sense. Surremder is basic strategy for the obvious plays and is an extremely valuable option if you are adjusting your bets based on the composition of the remaining deck (aka counting cards). I don't believe that there is a count which would call for surrendering 11 vs A. As the count got higher, you would double, and as the count got lower hitting would be more and more correct. Hitting and doubling are both inconsistent with surrendering, obviously. These are my thoughts off the top of my head. If you want exact answers with EV's to the 5 digit place, then ask at BJ21 and they should be able to hook you up.
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#6
06-21-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: Hand motion for surrender
I can't say that it's an "official" hand gesture, but on the televised blackjack tournaments, they use a single finger drawing a straight line against the felt between the player and the betting circle (as in the "Do not cross this line!" gesture). But I won't say it won't be confused for the hit gesture, so be careful and say surrender in a clear voice as well.
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#7
06-21-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: Hand motion for surrender
90% of the time, just saying "surrender" out loud is enough. it's an underutilized strategy in casinos and most dealers and floorpeople (not to mention other players) will be surprised that you even knew about the rule.
there have been situations where a hand signal was requested. usually it's something like taking either a finger, or the width of your hand (sort of like making a wall behind your bet) and doing a cut-across motion like you were chopping something off. just be very careful not to make it look like a hit when you first touch the felt.
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#8
06-22-2007, 02:09 PM
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Re: Hand motion for surrender
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I don't agree with using it as part of basic strategy [/ QUOTE ] Whether you "agree" with it or not, the correct basic strategy is to surrender 16 vs. 9, 10 or A, and 15 vs. 10. Blackjack basic strategy is not a matter of opinion. It is mathematical fact, pure and simple (well the math isn't really all that simple, but it is undisputable). You can play any way you want to, but if you deviate from basic strategy without information about deck composition, you are giving the house a bigger edge than you need to.
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#10
06-22-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: Hand motion for surrender
Where I dealt, the rules were that if a player is going to surrender (outside of tournament play) he must do so before the first card is taken from the shoe after the first two cards are out. I think this is part of the rules set down by gaming where I am, but am not 100% sure. As a result it is best for the player to do this before the 1st player has taken any action. I guess elsewhere you can sit and think about it.
Dan's 2 cents
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