Man VS Machine

[derek luv]

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Chess programs can now crush the best of the human players

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That's not true.

[antipeon]

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that's a ridiculous statement. Poker has variables that computers will never be able to "compute".

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that's the same thing they said about chess engines 20 years ago. poker is a simple game.

[antipeon]

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Chess programs can now crush the best of the human players



That's not true.

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Surely anyone who has been following the progress of Junior, Rybka and even the Fritz matches know engines can and have crushed even the elite 2700's. But that's not say they are invincible, although with rybka i'm not sure. As poker players would say rybka would be +EV against anyone in the world, human or cyborg.
There is a match in september with world champion Kramnik against Deep Fritz which will be very interesting indeed.
One point to be made, humans have good days and bad days, machines don't have bad days. So even if a human loses 50 games and wins one, does it mean the human is better? Although that would be a hollow victory.

Anyway it's naive to assume poker is to complex of a game that computers could ever be successful at it. There is SO much information available online that programmers can use for their program, namely hand histories. If you create a database with 10 million hand histories and at the same time make it relatively unpredictable a clever programmer can EASILY turn into a winning 12-tabling monster. Online poker to complex for engines? That's just plain ignorant, and i easily predict the demise of online poker in very few years.

[sdfsdf]

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that's a ridiculous statement. Poker has variables that computers will never be able to "compute".

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that's the same thing they said about chess engines 20 years ago. poker is a simple game.

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its much easier to make AI for chess than poker. since you think it's so simple, how many millions have you made playing??

[KurtSF]

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Bots have already destroyed chess. The end of online poker as we know it is not far away. Sad.

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that's a ridiculous statement. Poker has variables that computers will never be able to "compute".

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O RLY?

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Anyway it's naive to assume poker is to complex of a game that computers could ever be successful at it.
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Online poker to complex for engines? That's just plain ignorant,

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Indeed! Thank you.

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and i easily predict the demise of online poker in very few years.

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O RLY? That seems pretty ignorant, too.

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its much easier to make AI for chess than poker.

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Just because more people have undertaken the task at this point does not mean its "easier".

[Butcho22]

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All I can do is wake up each day and play the best I can. I know that if I keep doing it things will turn around. I don't think there are too many better players out there (barring the elite like Aba / CTS / Boosted J etc.).

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ban for putting boosted j in the same sentence as aba/cts

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its much easier to make AI for chess than poker. since you think it's so simple, how many millions have you made playing??

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Easier, really? You seem very smart, I'd really like more of your input, don't be shy.

[MikalSjekson]

How about you run a Sklansky Bux graph

[ardubz]

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"There is a mathematically optimal rate at which you should bluff. Computers can calculate that. Humans don't understand the mathematics of poker."

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Really?

[KurtSF]

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How about you run a Sklansky Bux graph

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Herald, do you know what he's talking about? Have you considered it?