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Pot (sorta) pushed, hand (sorta) mucked
At Ho-Chunk on Saturday night. Two dealer errors lead to two floor rulings. In both cases, the floor wasn't very confident in the rulings, so neither am I.
What say you? Hand 1: Three players, including me, to the turn. Player 1 checks, player 2 checks, and I bet. Player 1 folds, and the dealer forgets about player 2 and starts pushing me the pot. The pot is right in front of me, so I drop my cards, just as player 2 starts to holler. WHOOPS! The dealer is not really sure what to do, and actually gives me my cards back. The cards never touched the muck, and the pot is sitting in front of me, but the chips never mingle with my chips. What's the ruling? Hand 2: 6 to the flop. Before there's any betting on the flop, somebody notices that there are two cards under the pot where the burn cards go. Nobody saw the dealer burn two cards, but there they are. Everybody is trying to reconstruct how the flop should be, but nobody can agree on what the burn card 'should have' been. After much arguing and two floor people trying to figure out what to do, the pot gets chopped six ways! lol What should the ruling have been? |
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Re: Pot (sorta) pushed, hand (sorta) mucked
Hand number 1, take your hand back, push the chips back and continue the hand.
Hand number 2, dealer picks up the flop, shuffles and reflops. |
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Re: Pot (sorta) pushed, hand (sorta) mucked
I agree with StepB on both.
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Re: Pot (sorta) pushed, hand (sorta) mucked
how is hand 1 even debatable?
looks like step has it right on both |
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Re: Pot (sorta) pushed, hand (sorta) mucked
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Hand number 1, take your hand back, push the chips back and continue the hand. Hand number 2, dealer picks up the flop, shuffles and reflops. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, the floor mangled the decision pretty badly on Hand #2. Fouled flops are not all that uncommon, and any semi-experienced floorperson should know the proper procedure. |
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Re: Pot (sorta) pushed, hand (sorta) mucked
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[ QUOTE ] Hand number 1, take your hand back, push the chips back and continue the hand. Hand number 2, dealer picks up the flop, shuffles and reflops. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, the floor mangled the decision pretty badly on Hand #2. Fouled flops are not all that uncommon, and any semi-experienced floorperson should know the proper procedure. [/ QUOTE ] In hand 1, I was fine with continuing on with the hand, but the guy insisted on calling the floor, claiming my hand was mucked so it was dead. Before the floor really made a decision, the opponent gave up his fight and just folded. In hand 2, it was pretty laughable how badly the floor handled it. They clearly had no clue what they were supposed to do. Ho-Chunk is still pretty new, so hopefully things will get better there. |
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Re: Pot (sorta) pushed, hand (sorta) mucked
Oh yeah forgot about this one.
Heads up on the turn. 6-12 game. Player 1 checks. Player 2 bets. Player 1 says "Twelve," stacks his chips, then says "and I raise," and reaches for more chips. String raise or no? |
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Re: Pot (sorta) pushed, hand (sorta) mucked
String raise.
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