$5NL 6-Max, QQ delayed 2nd barrel on Ace-high river

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This reeks of results orientation.
'Hero' believes he folded out the best hand with an 'unconventional' play and seeks validation.

Your bet on the river is a bluff because you obviously did not believe you had the best hand (if you really think you had the best hand, the bet was horrible).
So you are betting with the intention of folding out Kx hands or possibly Ax flush draws. Whether that's +EV or not depends on how likely villain is going to fold Kx (he's never folding Ax). Because this is 5NL with no reads, a river bet here is bad.

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but then again, players who ascend to greatness don't always play textbook style.

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(And what it implies about OP's thought process)

[AFennewald]

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also, y did u bet the flop and not the turn?

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To set up the river play. IMHO, an Ace hitting the river is perfect for me in these spots because I will be given more credit for value betting into an Ace-high river than routinely c-bet into a King-high flop. I make this type of move with hands that are way worse but I mostly launch on the turn.

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ummmm, it's fine to bet the river if we have a hand like 22 or 9Ts, but we have a hand with showdown value. Do you understand the importance of showdown?

also, if you think u needed an ace to hit the river to win this pot you shouldn't have bet the flop

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This is precisely why you don't get setting up future plays beyond the obvious. To be a good postflop player, I believe you have to be able to make this move with the probable worse hand and the probable best hand (even if it is thin). This makes it harder to play against you. If you're always playing ABC, even at the smaller limits, you're gonna get beat out of alot of smaller pots waiting for the best of it.

I get alot of players who say, "He only plays the nuts, that's why it's easy to play against him", yet their getting blew off the best hand by 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] after I'm c-betting a 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] flop, checking the turn, and then barreling a Ace [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]-high river. I'm more likely to get credit for the Ace. The setup in this type of play is my IMAGE , not my HAND .

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This seems like a complete misapplication of AEJonese range merging post. But really to beat no limit 5 attempting to make thin value bets and bluffs is just not nesscary.

[jonyy6788]

have fun when u move up, nobody at NL50 is ever gonna fold a king to you there.

[boycalledroy]

Why don't you give the flush chaser a free card instead of making him pay to complete his draw? The turn check is horrible. If he c/r you AI on the river what do you do?

Only make river bets that leave you with easy options.

You would make more money betting the turn and checking behind on river and lose less. How we play it you get your extra bet called by weaker hands, how you play it you get your extra bet called by stronger hands.

[dmesey]

I think you played it fine. I really like the check on the turn. Good river value bet.

[boycalledroy]

Question if this is against me and I see you badly misplay a hand and I will (at my limit 25NL/50NL) push on you with a series of hands. A lot of kings and a lot of not kings, BECAUSE of the ace. Then what are you going to do?

YOUR HAND CAN NOT TAKE A RIVER CHECK RAISE AND WILL NOT GET CALLED BY A HAND YOU BEAT.

Jesus Christ why don't you just post a pooh-bah now and tell us all how our conventional (and winning) wisdom is worthless.

[Wooden Ta Sheng]

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This reeks of results orientation.
'Hero' believes he folded out the best hand with an 'unconventional' play and seeks validation.

Your bet on the river is a bluff because you obviously did not believe you had the best hand (if you really think you had the best hand, the bet was horrible).
So you are betting with the intention of folding out Kx hands or possibly Ax flush draws. Whether that's +EV or not depends on how likely villain is going to fold Kx (he's never folding Ax). Because this is 5NL with no reads , a river bet here is bad.

Also, this is hilarious: [ QUOTE ]
but then again, players who ascend to greatness don't always play textbook style.

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(And what it implies about OP's thought process)

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Villian has been so-so against the other players at the table but I've been able to outplay him postflop HU.

[Wooden Ta Sheng]

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Question if this is against me and I see you badly misplay a hand and I will (at my limit 25NL/50NL) push on you with a series of hands. A lot of kings and a lot of not kings, BECAUSE of the ace. Then what are you going to do?

YOUR HAND CAN NOT TAKE A RIVER CHECK RAISE AND WILL NOT GET CALLED BY A HAND YOU BEAT.

Jesus Christ why don't you just post a pooh-bah now and tell us all how our conventional (and winning) wisdom is worthless.

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You'll be so busy focusing on how bad I misplayed a previous hand (which I want you to do) that you'll get lulled into check pushing alot of kings and non-kings only to have me show up with the nuts. Happens all the time. BTW, calm down.

[Wooden Ta Sheng]

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Why don't you give the flush chaser a free card instead of making him pay to complete his draw? The turn check is horrible. If he c/r you AI on the river what do you do?

Only make river bets that leave you with easy options.

You would make more money betting the turn and checking behind on river and lose less. How we play it you get your extra bet called by weaker hands, how you play it you get your extra bet called by stronger hands.

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If villain c/rs AI on the river, I fold (and I'll probably tell him I have QQ). That way the next time I bet the same, I'll have the nuts and villain will lose all or most of his stack. Folding to a c/r AI is an easy option for me; I don't sweat it. I can always make it up later in other hands. Besides, if I bet the same amount on the turn, the river goes check/check and I still get beat, it's no different than checking the turn and betting the river after a check and getting c/rd AI. The difference is on the river, I give myself a chance to win the hand outright.

[jonyy6788]

I think that u think that NL5 requires a lot of thinking

that's a lot of thinking going on, regardless, just play ABC