$1500 WSOP - Preflop decision ITM.

[Will_Son]

This is a thread started by someone from another poker forum I frequent.

I state that it's greater EV to shove blind the next hand (if unopened) than it is to call in this spot. Comments?

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was it a **** up or what are your thoughts.

Ok here is the scene..

I'm on the button, blinds are 1500/3000 and the ante is 200.

Folded to cutoff -1.
He pushes for 30000 chips

Story so far is all of us are in the money at the 2nd level.
there are 3 stacks at the table shorter then me, 2 about the same and 2 that are HUGE chip leads. (120k+)
Everyone seems to be in push and pray mode as we need to make up some ground to go deep. I'm NOT playing to advance in the money, I'm playing for a bracelt as I've already made my buy in back. My image thus far is Tight aggressive and I've only shown good hands at this table and have laid down mid pairs 3 times the evening before and shown them once. I've been punishing the limpers as a rule


I put the initial pusher on a small pair...he's been weak tight for over 2 hours and you can feel that he's getting desperate.

I'm sitting around 38k in chips and only have SB with a huge chip stack and BB left to act.

Cut off folds and it's too me...

I go into the tank and make the choice that I'll race for the chance to move up to 70k + in chips.

I call. (hind sight I should have repushed but it doesnt matter)

SB insta pushes
BB folds
I swear out loud and call.

pusher has KJ
I have KQ
SB has KK

So...constructive feedback please...
Should I have mucked hoping to pick up a better hand or was it ok to gamble in your opinion.

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[Logun]

So my initial thoughts on this were that it would be better to take this shot right now at doubling up - however after some conversation I feel I might be wrong.

I had assumed a relatively large range for CO-1 - any PP, any double paint and a range of suited connectors - 9T, 89, 78

However I've been told that that is WAY too generous.

With a stack of 38,000 position , and a hand that is dominated multiple ways, I'm now in agreement that calling the push with this hand is not the best move, and you can get your chips in better in an unopened pot.

[Doylestown]

I don't think calling with KQ in this spot is necessary. Still have 12 bb's and the blinds have just passed you. I hope I would find some patience here and wait for a better spot.

[mlagoo]

yeah i think i fold KQ here against a weak-tight dudes 10BB shove.

[Logun]

just to add: the event was $2500 not $1500 (not sure that matters at all...)

[shaundeeb]

I don't think this is that bad if person left to act didn't have kings and he got it in KQ vs KJ everyone would say bravo. Results always change the mindset.

[Will_Son]

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I don't think this is that bad if person left to act didn't have kings and he got it in KQ vs KJ everyone would say bravo. Results always change the mindset.

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I think that was the problem people on the forum that this hand was posted on was having. Everyone was saying that it was a good read and a great play and he was just unlucky to run into kings.

I personally feel he was lucky to run into a hand as weak as KJ and unlucky to run into kings. I just don't think he's far enough ahead of the range of hands the initial raiser is pushing with that folding and pushing an unopened pot would be a better spot for him.

[Logun]

and that's my question:

1) What should the hero's range be to make this call?
or
2) What is CO-1's range?

[curtains]

btw against a good player this should be a ridiculously easy call/allin. If he's really weak tight enough where he isnt pushing something like K5o here, then ok I guess you can fold. All that matters is thinking of the worst hands he's pushing and then calculating your equity against his range. If its over 50% you simply must call with all the antes out there, as you probably only need to be like 44-45% to breakeven EV wise (that was total off the cuff guess, make it more like 47-50 if you want due to chance of huge hand behind us).


It really depends on the opponent.