Official Blather about ZeeJustin Till The End of Time Thread

[Jooka]

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I'm not to sure if anyone else mentioned it but don't you think its a bit unethical for party to take the money? I mean the least they could do is to distribute it back to the people in the tournament, I don't know just my 2 cents.

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if its either party takes it or they give it back for him to take to another site to cheat again, ill pick having party take it. [censored] him.

[KJS]

I am 36 and I agree with odellthurman. The punishment is in direct relation to his violation of the terms and conditions of the sites where he played. Akin to being banned from a live casino for cheating at blackjack or roulette. You can't stop at the cage on your way out. It's out the door, 86'ed for life.

If you are a doctor or lawyer or similar professions where licensing is required, perhaps you can speak of your livelihood being taken away if you lose such credentials. This is a far cry from that. The kid can still go play live poker if he really thinks he is not fit for any other occupation, or join the workforce like the 99.9% of his peers that aren't online poker pros. Some day he might even look back and think it was an expensive but worthwhile lesson.

KJS

[adios]

I think ZJ's statement hurt him as much as having the scandal break. Anyway I suppose your point is, if ZJ buys in as six different players in a tournament, how bad is this? After all he's paid 6 times as much to enter so his interest in the prize pool should scale accordingly. Ray states that it gives good players a big advantage in another thread but now I'm wondering how much. Getting back to ZJ's statement, he did acknowledge that he found himself with two different entries on occasion and didn't do the right thing by sitting one player out. That seems like an obvious way to cheat but let's say that somehow this could be avoided, is there a strategy for the multi entry player that allows his prize pool equity to scale up exponentially i.e. greater than the proportion the player would expect to have with multi entries. I'm sure some people believe there is and admittedly I haven't thought about it too much. I would sure like to read about the ways that this is so given that it is possible to ensure that ZJ would never find himself with two of his entries at the same table.

[sandsmarc]

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30 years old :-).

WTF give somebody who tries to justify his actions a 2nd chance? Personally, I never do that. When people realize they were wrong, I most oftenly do it, of course. BUT, here you have to remember that he has been aware of a cheating mechanism for a long time and instead of reporting the flaw to the sites, he deliberately uses it. That's intent, that's cynicism, and cynical people you have to treat with a hard hand (not understanding); since a hard hand is the only language cynical people understand. The apologists are incredibly naive, in my opinion.

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Absolutely correct. This guy was trying to follow in the footsteps of Daniel Negreanu with the website, the blog, the ultra cool lifestyle, etc.

BTW I love the recent post in his blog about "exposing the scammer". Priceless.

Anyway, I have no doubt that the degenerate is already phonying up new accounts and IP addresses and is already playin' it up.

Yes, he can continue to make lots of loot and maybe even find some new scams. He might as well "go dirty" completely and join the mob.

Because the days of being a benevolent hero are over. The days of being looked up to and admired are over. Whatever the minor financial penalties, the REAL punishment is the death and destruction of a reputation.

Like the gold medal at the Olympics, Justin now has his infamy. And no one can ever take that away from him.

[RogerKDodger]

Mercy is good. We all continue to live and breathe every moment because of mercy.

But Zee cheated, PP agreement spells out the penalty for cheating, and their action is appropriate, because it is consistent with that agreement.

Zee, JJ, and all the rest who have been and will soon be busted stole money from most of us at one point or another. When thieves get busted, "their" stolen money gets confiscated, and when possible, gets returned to the rightful owner. Even if it cannot be returned, the confiscation of stolen funds is proper and justified.

Party Poker is not the bad guy here, they are the Sheriff, Judge and Jury though.

[Python49]

Wait, so we have confirmed that party gave the money back to players involved in the tournies? That would serve as proof that they actually confiscated the money in the first place. I am still not whole-heartedly convinced that stars and party didn't work out some deal with said ZJ and JJ where they must publicly admit they cheated and they get to keep their money. =/

[registrar]

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Indiana,

Kid immersed himself in a lifestyle and was friends w/ a number of people who did very shady things. Probably in large part due to that, he ended up taking some very unethical actions purely due to greed. We have no idea how far his cheating went, but it would be very naive to think that it stopped at multi-accounting MTTs. His life is far from ruined. He's a healthy young white kid in LA with more money than most anyone his age. This incident is a chance for him to reevaulate some of his priorities in life and consider what kind of person he wants to be. Perhaps we'll see a new statement from him once he gives this some thought, or maybe he's too far down the path of a criminal life. I hope not, though. Far from ruining his life, this could be the best thing that ever happens to him. As for the action from poker sites, all I'll do is commend Party for taking a harsh stance against cheaters and request Stars take a stance to make their site a less profitable place for cheaters to play.

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This is the first post decent post that I've read on the matter. Excellent. Good post. Thank you!

[sandsmarc]

It's not a matter of who he wants to be. He already decided he wanted to be a cheat. And 20 is NOT a kid. He's a full grown man who knew EXACTLY what he was doing and WHO he was screwing.

[Indiana]

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a) he apologises properly
b) offers to make some repartions - giving free coaching/sponsoring a big money freeroll from his own bankroll/or something that will cost him a lot in the time and money dept
c) is actually honest about when/where and how he cheated with PP and PS (and any others) and voluntarily turns over funds that were illicitly gained
d) outs a decent number of other cheaters who are still at it.

THEN I can see a way back for ZJ to play at PP or PS in the future - after a 1yr ban or something like that.


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This is brilliant! This is exactly why I started this thread. Great idea. Zee, your apology?

Indy

[JBB]

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He won like $137,000 in a single tourney that he is known to have cheated in. I don't understand how taking LESS than that much from him can be wrong.

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