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#11
06-17-2007, 02:30 PM
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Re: Top set facing turn c/r
I think betting here is bad, precisely because there are a ton of hands in his range that just hit a straight. If he has 2pr here he's going to c/r the flop everytime I would think. Check the turn, and maybe call a river bet. If he checks river than you have an easy value bet.
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#12
06-17-2007, 03:08 PM
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Re: Top set facing turn c/r
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Check turn [/ QUOTE ] I think this is pretty weak and missing a lot of value from KQ, KJ, QJ, AQ, maybe even AK. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think those type of hands call a lot on the turn. If you check, they'll maybe bet as a bluff or they'll c/c your bet. And you have outs to hit a boat on the river and stack off a T [/ QUOTE ] I think you are severely overestimating the hand-reading abilities of a 38/5
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#13
06-17-2007, 03:14 PM
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Re: Top set facing turn c/r
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I think betting here is bad, precisely because there are a ton of hands in his range that just hit a straight. If he has 2pr here he's going to c/r the flop everytime I would think. Check the turn, and maybe call a river bet. If he checks river than you have an easy value bet. [/ QUOTE ] Strongly disagree. The reason I bet this turn is because I have basically the second nuts. I'm in the habit of valuebetting players like this to death, a T is the only card I don't want to see here and I have 11 outs against even that. I think the people screaming bloody murder at the turn bet are being a little results oriented, I agree a check is probably better given I'm probably only getting 2 streets of value out of his two pair hands but it's closer than people are making it out to be IMHO.
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#15
06-17-2007, 04:04 PM
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Re: Top set facing turn c/r
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I think this is pretty weak and missing a lot of value from KQ, KJ, QJ [/ QUOTE ] -These hands almost always check-raise on the flop. -Since you bet and got shoved on, which the aforementioned hands wouldn't do, you need to fold. I check the turn almost always. I think most of the KQ, KJ hands would fold on the turn, but call a river bet. Plus if he has a T and you fill, he'll bet-call it almost always.
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#16
06-17-2007, 04:10 PM
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Re: Top set facing turn c/r
I really don't see him pushing that turn card without the straight. To raise two pair there is pretty silly. I don't worry about getting value from worse hands on the turn there. I think if he checks behind and the river bricks I can go to valuetown on the river. Rarely do you get two streets of value with a one card straight out there.
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#19
06-17-2007, 06:01 PM
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Re: Top set facing turn c/r
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super uber basic Sklanksy Rule #1: don't bet the turn in position, if getting checkraised would suck harrrd. [/ QUOTE ] thats a very stupid rule, esp in NL but applies to this spec hand.
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#20
06-17-2007, 07:08 PM
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Re: Top set facing turn c/r
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Check turn [/ QUOTE ] I think this is pretty weak and missing a lot of value from KQ, KJ, QJ, AQ, maybe even AK. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think those type of hands call a lot on the turn. If you check, they'll maybe bet as a bluff or they'll c/c your bet. And you have outs to hit a boat on the river and stack off a T [/ QUOTE ] I pretty much agree. He folds everything we have beat, and push with Tx.
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