Foxwoods 1/2NL Flop bottom set, turn a weak boat

[Basilvdk]

I'd appreciate any thoughts on this hand. I keep thinking about it, and I'm not sure if I made the right moves. I'll post the results later on, but I'd appreciate some feedback. The biggest thing here, to me, is the reads on the other players.

First, the table: Very typical 1/2NL at Foxwoods. No real large stacks at this point, most hands are coming 6-7 to the flop for up to $10 pre-flop, $15+ pre flop is only bringing 2-3 players. A lot of top pair showdowns for the better kicker, or top pair vs. mid two pair being shown down for pots around $100. So typical, donkfest Foxwoods.

The relevant players:

Villain 1: Starts the hand with @ $320. He's been at the table for about an orbit and a half. I remember him playing 3 hands up to this point to the river. The first ended with a 1/3 of the pot size bet that got called by another player who showed two pair. Villain mucked visibly annoyed, so I think he had TPTK. Two other pots he bet similarly on the river, 1/3-1/2 of the pot and the opponents folded to him.

Villain 2: Starts hand with about $200. No good read, but his role is more as a pot builder in this hand than a point of concern. He seems to know what he's doing a bit, but is acting a bit too passively. I think he might be an online player new to brick & mortar, and maybe playing too passively due to nerves.

Me: I start the hand with about $250. Given the nature of the table [i.e. passive limpers] I've been seeing a lot of flops. I've also hit a straight and a flush on the river, both times because of great pot odds to keep chasing [i.e. $10 bets into $100 pots]. I'm gathering that the rest of the table views me as a loose fish, but don't realize the pot odds they've been giving me are good to call. This is fine by me. At this table especially, I like having that reputation as I've been getting paid of well for my hands.

And now, the hand in question:

Hero is on the button dealt 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] three limpers around to villain 1, who makes it $10 to go. Villain two calls, one folder to me. I call, the small and big blinds call, as do all the limpers.

Flop: 8 players, $80 pot. 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Checked around to villain 1, who makes it $10. Villain 2 calls, hero raises to $30 to chase off the others. Folded around to the villains, who each call.

Turn: 3 players, $170 pot Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain 1 bets 20. Villain 2 calls. Hero calls.

***I think this was my big mistake of the hand, and I should have raised. At the time, though, I didn't think that Q-7 was a likely holding for either player, and wanted one of them to make their flush to pay me off].

River: 3 players, $230 pot. T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Villain 1 takes just a moment and pushes. Villain 2 goes into the tank. After a good bit of thinking, disgustedly says "I have to call" and does. I now have $150 left, the pot is @ $450, and the flush card got there, but villain 1 pushed with a pair on the board. Villain 2 all but announced his hand in the way he called.

Hero... ?

[GrandMelon]

Im not gonna read all this but I see you have a boat and its live so just get all in somehow.

[suited77]

You seem disgusted villiain filled up with TT on the river.
But, get it in, they have a queen or flush enough

[whorasaurus]

At Foxwoods, you pay rake per hour, not per hand. That means its very -EV to spend time thinking when you have a boat. Unless your thinking about how to get all the monies in.

[matt85]

I call but I wouldnt particularly like it.

And I raise the turn here like 100%.

QT FTW?

[w33ktight]

this is so easy

raise way more on the flop. you raise is way too small. nobody is folding top pair in a live game, and you want to charge flush draws/build a pot to stack someone.

raise the turn because again nobody is going to fold a queen at this point.

call the river because its live poker. the guy who shoved has a flush IMO, the guy who called behind could have a lower flush, or Qx.

seriously, call. its live poker. Villain 1 would not surprise me if he showed AA or something.

[Hattifnatt]

river is a superinstacall.

[terp]

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Flop: 8 players, $80 pot. 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Checked around to villain 1, who makes it $10. Villain 2 calls, hero raises to $30 to chase off the others.

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jpke? you went to a ton of effort to write up a post with detailed reads and action and you didn't spend five seconds contemplating a proper raise amount?

[dregal]

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river is a superinstacall.

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[Nthnuts]

There's no point in trying to let them hit a flush when they are very unlikely to fold a flush draw. Raise turn and get value from these hands whether or not they hit their flush. Also get it all in somewhere, these players could easily have trip queens, any flush, and given your description of villain 1 I wouldn't be shocked if he turned over Aces or Kings here.