FLORIDA ALLOWING POKER GAME STAKES TO BE RAISED IN JULY!

[MicroBob]

facepull - you are still being idiotically hostile and are still being a dick.
this seems consistent with some other posts of yours I have seen.

Also, I'm not sure what 4/8 limit games you have played in, but where I play the standard buy-in is usually $100. Yes, it's pretty retarded. But that's what most players buy-in for.


4/8 and 6/12 is pretty low stuff.
And the $100 buy-in is definitely lame.
But I would much rather have 6/12 limit with a $100 buy-in (knowing that many players will soon have much more than their original buy-in) than 2/4 limit with a $5,000 buy-in.

You trying to belittle my point by just saying, "you are not a winning player" is really dumb.
Maybe my assessment on how this might work out is erroneous. But you are essentially saying, "I disagree with you therefore you are an idiot and must be a horrible player."


legislurker - I'm not talking about playing it full-time for a living. That would be pretty stupid.
Of course the most you could make at such games would not be a great wage. That discussion has been had time after time (in the B&M forum and elsewhere).
Trying to play 4/8 limit full-time for a living is not a good idea.
I haven't read the whole thread, just the last few posts so don't know if you are bringing this aspect up on your own or if you are responding to an earlier discussion about trying to play 4/8 limit full-time for income.

Personally, I'm just looking forward to having games there that can be moderately profitable and not completely 1/2 limit-retarded for occasionally getting out of the everyday online-grind.

[Legislurker]

2-10 stud games don't last for long. Awesome games when they work. 1-5 stud is ok if all you want to do is eat and buy coffee at Exxon. When corporate comes over and says, "start raking quarters", then you better hope the cardroom has free doughnuts.
As for competition, forget about it. Show how many casino strips compete on rake. Good luck getting a state or national AG to look into collusion. Maybe, the internet in some distant future provides that, but not now.

[Truthiness24]

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facepull - you are still being idiotically hostile and are still being a dick.
this seems consistent with some other posts of yours I have seen.

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nh

We are all trying to achieve the same thing. Why troll?

[NY60]

I agree with you folks. 4/8 is not something that you can earn a living at by any means. However, I am not looking to earn a living...just some money to use as buy-in to a major tournament a year.

Also, (I've said this in my previous posts) I am looking to a 3/6 or a 4/8 limit game as a hedge to supplement my bankroll to be used in the NL cash games where I think $20/hr is an attainable number. What does everyone else think?

[NY60]

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the casinos like FIXED LIMIT GAMES such as 2-4 3-6 4-8 etc cuase they know they get the MAX RAKE there and the games too hard to beat. now me i played 12 hrs a day before when i was homeless alot with a $300-1500 bankroll most of the time, and yeah i beat the game all the time. but not for more than like $25-40 a day. (about $1000 a month) spent alot of cheap rooms. but it WASNT the fixed limit games i beat it was spread limit games, such as $1-5 stud and $2-10 holdem. used to hang out in albq NM iowa and places like that willing to offer them limits. i even arrived in FL homeless and near broke with $367 in winter 2003 and ran it up to $1100 at the seminole casinos near ft lauderdale and coconut creek. but u know why i ran that bankroll up so much in such a cheap game?? it was cause i hardly ever tipped a dime, and i slept outdoors all the time and never spent any money on rooms.

i do know this though, winning in LIVE CASH GAMES much easier than winning on stars. my income online last year was only a measly $4717 for playing 12 hours a day. but considering statistics tell me 95% of the people reading this post are losing players, thats not really so bad.

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Well I have to agree you with on some points and disagree with you on others.

First, as an attorney, husband and father of two, I may BE many many things, but I take issue with someone callin me a fool! So I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that point.

Second, I most definately agree with you that the spread limits are much easier to beat. Look at my prior posts where I have not only urged everyone to push for a 1/5 spread limit, but I also emailed every cardroom manager in Broward and Palm Beach Counties, including the Hard Rock and Seminole Casinos, asking for them to seriously consider this. PBKC was the only manager seriously considering it since they already have it at the 1/2 level.

Next, I respectfully disagree with you that there are no structured limit games that can be beat (except for the spread limits). The issue with these low limits is the rake. I have played 10/20 for years here in Florida on the ships, Vegas and California, and I have always made a profit.

[sevencard2003]

well i contradict my first post i did make a profit in the $1-2 game as a matter of fact them 2 months i was in FL that winter, its just its so much tougher. i cannot for the life of me understand why no casino will have a $2-5 spread limit game. CO is also under them $5 limits and when i last played in CO they have some $2-5 spread limit games. so why cant FL? at least i can find $2-5 stud games hopefully when these new limits go into effect. it will be interesting when i come to tampa later this summer and see what all i can find. thankfully my ssi was finally approved, and i will be getting $5000 or so in back pay soon and will have a little bit to work with, and will be able to get a place too when i come. also on those ships i think i seen from a poster they have a 2-10-20 stud once a week on weds somewhere in FL it was on one of them cruise ships. i will check that out too. it wont be near the struggle it was in the winter of 2003 this time.

and yes im honest and report my income to the govt they know all about the $4700 i won last year. thats why ill only be getting about $5000 in back pay instead of like $8000 or so.

[NY60]

Well I wish you the best of luck! Vegas or CA sounds like a much better gig for you?

[KyndGroove]

Forgive me if this has been posted already, but when I was at Derby Lane today I asked one of the managers there about the rake structure on their 100NL game. He insisted it would be 10% and that they had decided against a time charge. As for the holdem games they'll offer, he said it would be 2/2, 2/4, 5/5, and 1/2NL 100 max. Here's to hoping a time charge never catches on at the Tampa rooms.

BTW, I want to thank all the knowledgeable posters who've contributed to this thread, especially those with insight into how the legislative and regulatory processes work. I followed this thread all last month with fingers crossed.

[Robin Foolz]

i would suggest everyone who is calling/talking/emailing with your favorite card club for info to also emphasize your earnest disapproval in having a time charge for the nl games.

yes florida poker rakes are asinine, but the time charge idea is blatant gun point robbery.

[soulvamp]

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i would suggest everyone who is calling/talking/emailing with your favorite card club for info to also emphasize your earnest disapproval in having a time charge for the nl games.

yes florida poker rakes are asinine, but the time charge idea is blatant gun point robbery.

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I think if you read several posts from the past day or two, you'll find that this question has been asked a few times and answered by a couple of cardrooms.