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#111
06-13-2007, 04:58 PM
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Re: Hellmuth\'s Place?
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ivey a pro who never plays wpt pre lim events is playing these pre lim for bracelets, not because it is easy [/ QUOTE ] actually, i don't think this is true. phil is playing more wsop prelim events this year because of a side bet he has. 
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#112
06-13-2007, 05:09 PM
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Re: Hellmuth\'s Place?
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[ QUOTE ] No one in this thread has 11 WSOP Bracelets..... Discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This is a terrible argument, and that should be obvious to everyone capable of using a computer. [/ QUOTE ] obviously if contributing to this thread was limited to people who have 11 bracelets, only one person would be able to contribute. in the same spirit as that previous post, there are many opinionated and strongly worded posts from people who have never played a single hand with phil. even worse, some of these posters have little experience playing in live high-profile events. someone's image on tv can be, and usually is, very different from how they actually are. phil is very sharp, and he enjoys being misrepresented because he knows that will lead people, especially less experienced players, to make mistakes against him. like all of us, he is not without his faults and i certainly don't condone some of his behavior. but he has managed to do consistently well in wsop events for many years, not just with regard to number of bracelets, but number of cashes, final tables, etc.
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#113
06-13-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: Hellmuth\'s Place?
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[ QUOTE ] With Phil's record setting # of cashes and now bracelets does this cement him as the World's best No Limit player? [/ QUOTE ] this is a gimmick account right????? lolololol Phil is probably one of the top 3 NL tourney players against a weak field that is typified by the WSOP. Look at his results in top fields like the WPT championship, or any event with a top heavy field. As a NL cash player Phil is a player that pros love to have at their tables, a tourney donk who thinks he can play the same way in a cash games as a tournament. Cant believe I even wasted time to write this. [/ QUOTE ] has anyone here played with him for an extended period of time or is this all hearsay?
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#114
06-15-2007, 07:49 PM
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Re: Hellmuth\'s Place?
anyone read the USA Today article on Friday about Hellmuth?
Chan and Doyle made some interesting comments on Phil
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#115
06-15-2007, 08:04 PM
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anyone read the USA Today article on Friday about Hellmuth? Chan and Doyle made some interesting comments on Phil [/ QUOTE ] Here's the article: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/poker...t_N.htm?csp=34
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#117
06-15-2007, 11:16 PM
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Re: Hellmuth\'s Place?
I think you ppl need to start thinking clearly.
You have Koby Briant, or Tim Duncan, and you have D Wade, and LeBrone James. Who is better? Koby and Tim have a bunch of championships, D Wade, and LeBrone are good players who are new. What I am saying, is there is no scientific way to determine who is better (when basing on results). The only accurate way would be to devise some type of grading scale, that would compare the results against certain criteria. Second Point; all the imbeciles that bring his cash game into the argument: we are talking MTTs here I assume. The thread is made in the tourney section of the forum for a reason I presume. Lastly, I have heard on several occasions Phil does not play WPT regularly (keeps the MTTs to west coast). My reasoning, is @ this point in his career, (poker) money and EPT/WPT success do not matter to him. What matters most to him is his family, various business commitments, and his legacy (which pretty much relys on WSOP success). When you say he sucks, or he is the best, plz include the criteria you are using for evaluating his skill. Like I told gobbo, Phil is a sick player when it comes to NLHE WSOP events, and I think there are very few ppl that can reach his skill in relation to that particular tourney.
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#118
06-16-2007, 05:48 PM
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Re: Hellmuth\'s Place?
"Phil Hellmuth Dodges...Pocket Nines and Sevens
After two players limped into the pot Phil Hellmuth made it 1,600 to go. The player in the small blind moved all-in for his last 1,800 and one of the original limpers raised it up to 4,200. "I would normally lay this down," Hellmuth said, "but my wife and kids are in town." It looked like he was going to make the call...but then he said, "Nah, I'm too good a player to be playing this hand," and he mucked his A-Q. The small blind turned over pocket Sevens and the re-raiser had pocket Nines. Phil wasn't too pleased to see those two hands because he was getting a good price with his A-Q, but the flop came 6-9-8 to give one player a set and the other an open-ended straight draw. A seven on the turn meant both players had sets and the possibility of a chop if the board made a straight, but the river was a deuce and the player with the pocket Nines won a big pot. Phil currently has 1,300 chips." Please don't tell me that he really folded getting 4.8:1 on his money and leaving himself with only 1,300
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#119
06-16-2007, 06:11 PM
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#120
06-16-2007, 07:59 PM
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Re: Hellmuth\'s Place?
Well, I think some of you guys just don't get it.
What is Hellmuth good at? He is good at extracting chips and losing the minimum against donks. How does he do it? He uses his image to intimidade his opponents, both by playing overaggro against him and by playing too tight against him. So, what is he the best of the world at? I don't know. Maybe he is the best Live No Limit Tournament Player in donk predominating fields? Example: the WSOP is a donk predominating field. The PCA is its contrary. But... We can't be sure just based on bracelet records because most of the other guys who have been around for so long don't play as much tournaments as he does. Is he a good tournament player? Yes. The best? Depends on the field. Why are we discussing this? I don't know.
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